Hds gen2 specials

[La Vida]

I see that KME have already posted pre Tinnie and tackle specials on the HDS gen2 models onh their website,. Time to upgrade the old HDS8 gen1

[La Vida]

that would be k.e.o.g.h.s.m.a.r.i.n.e

[Jarrah Jack]

Are they that much better? All the hype about the 1st generation means nothing now. I'll hold off for the gen 3 when they say gen 2 should be binned.

[La Vida]

a lot faster in redraw and the dtructure mapping is unreal

[mylestom]

But question is how long before they introduce the next Gen, seems like they dumped all those that bought Gen 1. The update for Gen 1 were very very basic in comparision with what is available in Gen 2. Lot of dissappointed Lowrance customers out here.

[Obi _ Wan]

But question is how long before they introduce the next Gen, seems like they dumped all those that bought Gen 1. The update for Gen 1 were very very basic in comparision with what is available in Gen 2. Lot of dissappointed Lowrance customers out here.

That's so true Trev, as you may remember, i recently bought a HDS 10 with Structure Scan, you may also remember the screen shots that i posted here and elsewhere, also my glowing praise for the unit.

But what you did not know was that i had had many a contact with Navico asking about transducers, and any up dates on line, i was told that the transducers could not be changed, too many problems and that there were no updates in models in the pipe line, on this assurance from Navico i went ahead and made the purchase which cost a considerable amount of money, particularly for a pensioner.

First kick in the guts was when the Elite Downscan models were released soon after my purchase, definate change in transducer manufacture, and now this Gen 2 HDS and if that's not enough to piss you right off Structure Scan HD 2 was released as well.

So here i sit totally shattered as i have been told that if i want an upgrade to Gen 2, i would be better off selling my unit privately and then buying a new one, shite i have only had this unit 6 months and have written glowing reports about it, sold down the drain and what really hurts is the lies that i have been told. Even Doc Sonar asked if he could use some of my screen shots in his lectures.

So it's a case of give me your money now and and if we bring out a new model next week just suck it up even if we told you last week there was nothing in the pipe line.

So dissapointed as i have always been a Lowrance man and so sorry that i didn't buy the Hummin Bird 1100 series, i will never buy another Lowrance unit regardless of what they bring out, the greed and the lies just sickens me.

Extremely Dissapointed,
John.

Also i have been told that Structure Scan 2 will not work with my HDS 10 i need to have Gen 2 with it!!!!

[La Vida]

remember electronics are like computers, they are constantly being upgraded, have a look at an Iphone, Also dealers only get advised a couple of weeks before the release. I see that you can replace the structure scan transducer with the new one. I donot think Lowrance have done anything wrong, a manufacturer should always strive to make a better product, updates are regulary available.

Look at the world there is something new coming out every day.

[Moonlighter]

Whoever told you that LSS2 wont work with HDS1 was talking thru their hats.

For what its worth, I have 2 x HDS5 Gen 1, and I have absolutely no interest in upgrading because I dont run radar or SS. That being the case, the extra speed available for those applications is totally a non-issue to me. The same would probably apply to everyone else who just uses them as sounders and GPS units.

In fact at the T&T show a mate of mine just rang to tell me he bought a gen 1 HDS5 combo and saved around $130 on the equivalent gen 2 unit - for exactly the same reasons as I have mentioned above. I would have done the same thing.

In case you are not aware of it, there has been a software update released just a month or so ago by Lowrance for HDS gen 1 units which, to me, demonstrates their ongoing committment to the gen 1 series. Cant complain about that.

As for the discussions about when new models might be being released, well, every company in the world keeps that stuff pretty close to their chests. I have previously found out stuff from the US office that Lowrance in Australia hadnt been told about, that's how close they play some things and sometimes their communications to the Colonies is pretty average too. Doubt very much if they deliberately deceived you.

Just the way it is, get used to it, otherwise you will spend your life procrastinating and trying to double-guess every move.

You said:

"That's so true Trev, as you may remember, i recently bought a HDS 10 with Structure Scan, you may also remember the screen shots that i posted here and elsewhere, also my glowing praise for the unit."

And if they hadnt released gen 2 you'd still be raving about your Gen 1 setup, wouldnt you!

Well, nothing has changed has it, it still performs great, doesnt it?

I'd recommend getting out on the water and going fishing. No point burning yourself up about something that not only you can't control, but actually isnt really that much of an issue anyway.

Cheers

ML

[mylestom]

The main reason that they replaced Gen 1 with Gen 2 is that the processor was not up to any more upgrade, so what the Gen 1 owners get is equipment that cannot because of initial hardware fault cannot keep up with software, that to me is a Manufacturing fault. To bring out a very pricey piece of equipment (At least for some of us) then to tell us to just suck it up, is not really nice.

I am also a Pensioner and it was a really big purchase for myself.

We do not make (to us) major purchases without some research, and then to be left high and dry. When and how are they going to keep upgrading Gen 1 with the hardware supplied. It is only going to be minor tweaks and that won't last long at all.

Lowrance has not won many friends with this attitude.

Regards

Trev

[Dicktracey]

I see that KME have already posted pre Tinnie and tackle specials on the HDS gen2 models onh their website,. Time to upgrade the old HDS8 gen1

Bias show specials are cheaper !

Also i have been told that Structure Scan 2 will not work with my HDS 10 i need to have Gen 2 with it!!!!

John I have a HDS5 Gen 1 fitted to my boat & have just bought a GEN2 & LSS2 to accompany it, so hang on mate as soon as it's fitted I will give you an honest opinion of using LSS2 on old unit.
To my knowledge the upgrade on the LSS2 is a longer "better Transducer & mount" as previously stated you where singing the praises of the GEN1 and if it can find you fish cash in on the savings to be had.
cheers
Dick
PS;If your still pissed PM me before you torch your Gen1 HDS-10

[Moonlighter]

Read right thru this post on Bassboatscentral website and you'll see that Jason Giltrap, one of the Lowrance Pros, says quite clearly that the new LSS hd's will work just fine with HDS gen1. You will find that forum very informative about Lowrance issues.

http://www.bbcboards.net/zerothread?id=791619&page=2

In fact, if you look at the press release on Lowrances website and their facebook page it also says the same thing, but let's not let the simple facts get in the way of a good rant, hey guys!

And add me to the list - I'll take your HDS 10 gen 1 off your hands too, in fact I'll start the bidding right now..... A spool of 30lb braid, almost new, and a new Alvey 600C.

ML

[Jarrah Jack]

Do you work for Lowrance/Navico or sell them or something Moonlighter?

[leelee]

Hi John. Hope all is well?

You have been misinformed about the Lss2 and its compatibility with your unit. Watch the video below and you will see the correct information

I am happy to answer any of your questions as is a few other guys here as we are clued up with the correct information you need. As I have in the past I have always answered you and helped you out with everything for your unit and I am still happy to help you out if you need a hand. My offer of coming out on my boat still stands if you want to take it up as I have been using the Gen2 for a little while now and had some good results. The LSS2 will be on the way most likely as well.

Have a look at this video from the Lowrance site - http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1311505364001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAmZcPTlk~,aVF3Lhh Nvw9WOYW2xAC2UZqEnkg838RD&bctid=1504165898001

Also whilst on topic, 6-7 months ago the Gen1 was the focus, so yes there were no new units at that point in time. I understand your frustration, but in all honestly probably what you were told at the time was correct.

Now in regards to Transducer manufacturer. I am not sure as to why this is an issue to be honest. The elite downscan is just that only downscan, that's why the transducer is different. Your hds has sidescan left + right + downscan, much more ability than the elite downscan hence the difference in transdcuer.

Once again I understand your frustration but still you have a great unit that is still miles ahead of some of the competition and the HDS Gen1 has been around for a while now and I am pretty sure it probably closer to 3 years than it is 2 years but I could be wrong. I have screen shots from the LSS1 from January 2010 which puts it over 2 years

Cheers

Lee

[Grand_Marlin]

Hey Guys,

It might pay to keep this in perspective.
If you have a Gen 1 unit and LSS-1 (like I do) then you already have technology and ability far beyond most other brands on the market.
I am more than happy with the performance of my Gen 1 units and will continue to use them and enjoy them and my suggestion is that others do the same.
Gen 1 and LSS-1 is far from obsolete.

I was at the Navico Dealer Conference in Sydney last week.
A number of the Navico "Top Dogs" were there from the USA and the information they gave was excellent.
The Navico Campany, namely through their Design Teams & Engineers are committed to the continued development of new and exciting technology for the Lowrance and Simrad brands.
So, the introduction of Gen 2 HDS and LSS-2 is the next step forward and mark my words, there will be a lot more advancements to come from Lowrance and Simrad.
Personally, I think we are very lucky to have a company that is so commited to, and so passionate about developing new technology instead of just sitting on their hands and doing nothing new.

What are the main changes to Gen 2 HDS and LSS-2?

Gen 2 HDS has a faster processor and has the ability to display structure map (Structure Scan overlaid on the GPS screen).
The broadband sounder and all other features are the same as Gen 1.
They are also more expensive than the Gen 1.

LSS-2 runs on one frequency only (455KHz). The LSS-1 had 455 and 800 KHz to choose from.
It has a larger transducer (increased from 200mm long to 300mm long)
The larger transducer has larger elements which give it the ability to to scan a bit wider (LSS-1 max width 80m, LSS-2 max width 100m)
The larger elements in the LSS-2 have also allowed the unit to give better definition / clearer pictures than the LSS-1.

Note:
If you have LSS-1 you can improve your unit by 75% simply by buying the LSS-2 transducer and connecting it to your LSS-1 box.
The Navico Engineers said the new transducer is what makes most of the difference!.

The release of new units is kept secret until it is released.
As a dealer I do not get any real fore warning of new units coming ... 1 or 2 weeks at the most.
Even our State Reps for Navico get the same 1 to 2 weeks notice.

Navico have stated a claim that they are aiming to have the best customer service in the industry.
They know they still have work to do but the key thing is that changes are happening now - they are finally listening to us dealers and our customers.
The release of the 5 year advantage warranty replacement program is a good start.
I have already given my recommendations on further improvements to customer relations to the person solely responsible for the implementation of the warranty procedures.
If you have some constructive comments, feel free to send them to me and I can pass them on.
As far as the release of new units goes, I would like to see some advance notice given and also a "run out" sale of the existing units. That way people can make a choice of whether to buy the existing unit and save some $$$, or wait and buy the new unit and new technology when it is released.
That way it keeps everybody happy.

Yes, I am a Navico dealer for both Lowrance and Simrad, but I am not tied to Navico exclusively.
If I believe another brand of unit better suits a purpose then I will recommend it.
Further to this, I firmly believe that Lowrance and Simrad offer the best features and the best value for money of any units on the market.

I can't wait to see what they come up with next...

Cheers

Pete

[Obi _ Wan]

Let me say this, The performance of the HDS 10 with the associated lss-1 is by far the best sounder gps that i have ever used and i have no complaints about it's capabilities.

I have no problems with any of the dealers/retailers that i have dealt with over the years, they have all been great to work with and the after sales service from them has always been spot on.

What it is that pisses me off is the fact that i, after understanding that the HDS had been out a while i went to the trouble asking Navico by both email and phone calls about new models and transducer changes, i also stated that if there was a new model comming out in the next six/nine months that i would wait and purchase the new model.

That's the problem, i asked the question and was told stories, makes you feel bad that as a loyal customer you would be treated like that after you stated you would wait for the new model and not buy another brand as i preffered Lowrance even though i could have bought a bird 1100 series for a grand less (overseas)

Lee there is no problem mate i am up to date with all the video's etc on the new releases, thanks for your concern, i will give you a hoy when the weather settles a bit for that run and a look at the Gen 2.

Moonlighter, as Jarrah Jack asked, are you a dealer or just someone trying to gain a sponsorship and get your electronic's at a cut rate or even free? I had a look at that link you put up, there is a bit of heat there also, a number of the blokes don't seem to happy.

Anyway you can all go back to sleep now, it's just that i hate being used.

Cheers,
John.