marty, i can sincerely tell you that i wish i couldn't id those things. copped a few finger stings from em on the sorting tray and 8 hours was the average pain period. the poison in em travels up the arm until it reaches the armpit and by this time the arm is useless. i did find that sucking out the poison and getting as much blood as possible out of the spike hole (swinging arm quickly) could reduce the pain to about 2 hours. was bloody hard trying that on a head wound tho
. and i'm sending you a pm re spot x