Ignition Circuit

[dadstinny]

SUCCESS Today, ok so I got a flush bag the one that collapses and yes it does collapse at all times guaranteed !!!

So I had the motor in the flush bag which was filled with water to replicate some back pressure to present the motor with a cold start at the ramp in some way.

I adjusted the choke so the carby was open with the choke lever disengaged and closed with the choke lever engaged. I didn't touch any other adjustments just this.

Pushing the key in to actuate the choke I gave her a kick in the guts and nothing, gave her another kick and bang it started from dead cold in the flush bag full of water.

Idling a little rough but started up ok from dead cold!!!!

So I let it run for about 5 minutes to warm her up and then I engaged drive and accelerated with the drive lever a tad (This is where the word collapsible bucket needs a rethink ) and she coughed and spluttered and the conked out.

So I turned her back over and she started up again, this time I pushed down on the accelerator linkage with my hand a slight bit to increase the idle and had a helper engage drive and accelerate with the drive lever a tad. She now pumped water quite well and kept running YAHOO.

The bucket however was another story and next time I think I will wear thongs not joggers when using the bucket.

So I took the motor out of the bag and put it on muffs, she engages drive and accelerates without me increasing the idle manually due to no back pressure.

So she runs well and engages drive on muffs but in the bag with back pressure she needs an increase in idle to get her going.

She is bouncing a little whilst idling and running a bit rough so I am thinking a tune up and once over and we should be good to go.

Will await the mechanic tomorrow with baited breath and cross my fingers for a good compression test and carby service.

Really hope it is A OK!!!

Use ya garbage wheelie bin - or your neighbours. If you look under the lid there is a list of things that can't be used for. Outboard testing is not on the list so they were obviously designed for it!!!

NSW mechanics aren't scared of the rain not a couple of weeks out from chrissy when santa needs to put food on the table- they ain't from QLD ya know. Gotta say your mech worries me a bit. Melb ones have a sombero so don't even notice the constant rain.

Get that old starter back as well. Got a feeling $10 and 2 new bushes, brushes or contacts will have it reborn but depends on what beer Fed drinks.

let the mechanic do all the adjustments. Don't fiddle now when it is at least running.

Hahhahahaaha no comment on the mechanic is all I am going to say but if you know some one in Sydney who is mobile and good at the tools PM me the details. Its a crappy time of year as everyone is booked up as most people are like me getting ready for the holidays!

I adjusted the choke lever its pretty simply to reverse what I have done but just wanted to test this. I left everything else alone.

I will make sure I got the starter back and have a look over it to.

[albey]

When this is all over Ill be somewhat dissapointed,happy for you dad,but a little unhappy that the serial has finally finished.
This,to me,is what these forums are all about,putting your hand up cause youre in trouble,and then people with nothing to gain except for helping someone out,and even offering their labour to help out a fellow fisher.
This has been a good learning experience for me and many others I'm sure,on outboard mechanics from those with years of experience,a lot of which I'm sure was gained from similar disasters in years past.
Enjoy your holiday dadstinny,a little poorer monetarily for the experience,but I'm sure richer at the same time.
Well done guys---loveit----have a great Christmas

[STUIE63]

it is good to hear that it runs now . it won't be long and you will end up trusting this motor again

[tunaticer]

Good deal Dad, Give it a tune up and adjust the chokes to work at the same level in unison and splurge on a set of plugs and you will be sweet.

Personally I use surface gap plugs in my two strokes, they do not suffer from carbonisation and never wear out. 15 yrs so far on the plugs in my Rude and still runs fine.

If your fuel lines do not have an inline filter yet, fit one with a clear glass section so you can see the quality of the fuel it is picking up. Lots of crap comes out of old tanks as a rule.

http://www.biasboating.com.au/product_p/5036.htm cheap and effective fuel filter for inline installations.

[dadstinny]

Thanks to everyone who has followed the thread and most of all helped me steer through this mess of wires, plugs, chokes and gauges its been a whirlwind!

I have learnt alot in a few short days from all the responses and bits of information and have gone from looking under the cowling and being very intimidated to now being somewhat confident although certainly not skilled .

From the previous comments its definetly what this forum is about and thats bringing like minded people together and helping some one out in need.

I now have a running motor, although it still needs some fine tuning its a long way from where it was.

Fingers crossed tomorrow the compression looks good, the mechanic shows up, the weather plays the game and the mechanic can actually tune carbies!!!!

There is alot still to come but without the assistance of everyone on here tomorrow just would not be a reality!!!!

Huge thanks to everyone for sticking with it and yes some lessons learnt in this thread my three favorites are AIR, FUEL & SPARK!!!! I now have a deeper appreciation for how engines work.

Happy christmas to everyone as well and Ill post up as soon as the results come in from tomorrows mechanic visit and maybe even another multimedia session of hopefully a running tuned motor in a completely collapsible bucket.

Cheers!!!!!

[dadstinny]

Hey all, the mechanic was out today......

Compression is an even 115 so all good there.

He adjusted the choke, the idle screw was missing which he replaced and then turned the idle up.

He was going to do the water pump but couldn't get the housing to seperate and he would have needed to heat it up to do so but didn't have the torch with him to do it.

He checked it out running and said she is pumping water and its not overheating so he was ok to leave it like that until after the trip. He did put a little chip in the driveshaft housing trying to seperate the gear case but siliconed over this and it is sealed now but what can you do!

He changed case oil, fuel filter, cleaned the carbies, checked the stator was charging the battery, put new plugs in, lubed steering etc etc.

The only thing he recommended was the following

1) Give the fuel tank a complete clean out, which I will do but will put I am going to put a new tank in it and keep the old one as a reserve tank and fit one of those filter things that was previously mentioned
2) The steering trailing arm needs replacing, its steering fine just the wrong trailing arm was put on it and it will make the steering easier. It seems the motor turn all the way when you turn the steering wheel full lock to the left but turning the steering wheel full lock to the right the motor only turns about half way
3) Possibly a second battery to run the accessories and not to flatten the battery

Other than that she is good to go in the bucket tomorrow once the silicon dries on the chip in the case and the fuel tank is replaced.

He said once in the bucket / out on the water if she is idling to low to turn the idle screw up a quater turn until it is set right.

Other than that he said the motor was fit and healthy and should be right for the trip and that I should call him when I have finally caught some fish on it and let him know !!!!

So thanks to everyone for making me persevere with it and for all the help through this mess!!!

As I said I have learnt alot and that is invaluable in experience so thanks to all of you for sharing the knoweldge and getting us to this point!

So I will hopefully get through the season with this one !!!!!

Will keep you posted with the on water test results and the collapsible bucket escapade and hopefully a video or two.....

[cormorant]

You need to check that the temperature alarm works on your motor if it has one and if not you need to keep a very close eye on your telltail coming from the motor to ensure it is being cooled. It usually takes a fair while for a lower unit or shaft to seize so that in itself means the impeller may not be in the best condition or the person that installed it didn't lubricate teh correct bits as impellers deteriorate with age or being left unused. Note any little things that don't seem right with motor and the electrics on the boat so you an get them seen to.

Get out there and use it now in a local waterway and get a feel for it so you know what to expect over the holiday period.

Double check all your safety equipment as neglected boats often come with neglected equipment.

be safe and introduce your family to enjoyable boating slowly

[dadstinny]

Cheers mate, will keep an eye on it all. If that's the only thing I need to deal with when we get back / up there then I will be happy !

All safety gear is from our tinnie so is quite newish!!! Just going to put in a 27 meg radio until I do my VHF course for some peace of mind.

Only question I had is oars, they are needed but how in the heck does one row a half cabin boat? Is it even possible?

Will be taking her out tomorrow after the silicone dries and hopefully I can sort the steering out so fingers crossed but its looking good.

[Noelm]

oars are a pretty silly requirement in some cases, a tiny useless paddle will also pass inspection, even though you would never row/paddle the thing anywhere for too long.

[cormorant]

Ya can't row . It is a dumb regulation - my feeling has always been that if it can't be effectively rowed then it should have a auxillary motor.. One person either side paddling is the truth of it. Unless it is a tinny we have always had long handled paddles as they are easier to store and possibly usefull if stuck on a millpond and we were 20 feet from shore

Go straight for the VHF.

[albey]

I have a 5m again which you cant row,so to satisfy regulations I stow a pair of collapsible oars,they go in my forward hatch with the collapsible bucket,cast net etc etc totally out of the way and utterly useless.

[Fed]

Twp people with paddles can't row my 5.2 boat against anything.
Well done dadstinny now you can hopefully build some confidence in the motor.

[dadstinny]

Howdy all, so was looking at the steering tonight and when you turn the steering wheel all the way to the left it stops but the motor is only turned about 1/2 way compared to the right.

If you yank on the wheel a little bit, you hear like a clunk sound and the steering wheel then moves about a further 5 cm now giving you about 3/4 of a full turn of the motor.

Its like a knot in the steering, you turn it a certain amount and it stops as if you have reached your limit. Give it a bit of a yank and it lets you move the full another revolution to the left.

Does this sound like the steering control box is buggered or the steering arm.

Was going to remove the steering arm and then turn it full lock and see if knots up to determine if it is the arm as the mechanic suggested.

[tunaticer]

Is it a Morse cable or pulley cable system??
If it is a morse cable check the cable shape when you reach that point where you have to nudge it harder, is there a tight bend accentuating the problem somewhere? Unlikely to be in the control box where the problem is.

[dadstinny]

Hey mate, its morse cable mechanical steering!

I will check the cable and see, the mechanic did say he thought the trailing arm or steering arm I think its called looked wrong so I am suspect on this.

I will check the cable and if no luck finding anything with this I will disconnected the trailing arm temporarily and see if it is the trailing arm.

When disconnecting the trailing arm do you need to turn the steering to dead centre before disconecting it so it goes back together correctly?