Lemon Law

[marty666]

The lemon law is more myth than a law, It is bassed on the old days where they did buy backs but it just does not happen any more and they get past the red tape of it all due to the number of quality check points during manufacturing. The only problem is they are still done by humans and that leads to human error. Have you tryed taking it to an other merc dealers cause it sounds like human error in trying to fix it rather than the motor being a lemon. What worries me is if the can come to the conclusion that it is starving for fuel why can they fix it, there is not that much in volved in the fuel system alone that over three trips there they have not covered all bases.

[kizza1]

these engines did have issues at one stage. merc should never have gotten rid of there merc for the tohatsu.

firstly these engines are tempramental. if they are tuned correctly they will run ok but if not they will constantly give you trouble. i have done a few where you need to run hotter plugs to help burn off the excess fuel/oil. the carbies need to be balanced and the mixtures set correctly i think it is roughly 3 and a half turns out as a base from memory. there have been a few that have actually needed the carby jets drilled out. this was all covered under warrenty by mercury.

as stated before you need to find a dealer who knows what there doing. if you can take it up to north coast boating and they will sort it out for you.

[charlie09]

Not sure how someone has determined it is starving of fuel but not a good sign for a 2 stroke. What are the symptoms and circumstances?

Can they not recreate the problem in the test tank? . What have they tried?

Get em to agree if that it isn't solved this time they will replace it??

Cormorant that's exactly right. A 2 stroke get its lubrication from the fuel/oil mixture. Hence why I want the motor fixed ASAP while still under warranty.

The symptoms:
1. Doesn't always do it. Can go out for months and not do it then it suddenly does, regardless of amount of fuel in tank.
2. Will idle ok, run ok to half throttle then starts to miss (that's what it sounds like to me anyway).
3. Wont rev beyond half throttle, no power or speed. When the engine runs properly I can get up to 24 or 25 knots. When it plays up I struggle to get 10.

The dealer told me that they "tested" the motor for an hour and found nothing wrong with it.

Cheers
Vince

[charlie09]

Hi Kizza are north coast boating at warana? Also is it normal for these motors to "detune" themselves before a scheduled service is due?

Cheers
Vince

[cormorant]

Hmmmm Could be as simple as vent in the tote tank not open? Stuffed fuel bulb? Did they test it with your fuel and tank? When it happens does squeezing the fuel bulb bring the revs back up? There is only half a dozen things it would possibly be so they must be close after a couple of visits.





Here is the Lemon law for Australia.



A man applying for a job at a Mildura Lemon Orchard seemed to be far too qualified and educated for the job.

The foreman frowned and said, "I have to ask you this: Have you had any actual experience in picking lemons?"

He replied: "I've been divorced three times, bought a Leyland P76,40hp Merc , a Beta video player and took up both Telstra floats. Then I voted Kevin '07' lemon and then accepted Julia Gillard.

"How am I doing so far?"


Your hired.

[charlie09]

Hmmmm Could be as simple as vent in the tote tank not open? Stuffed fuel bulb? Did they test it with your fuel and tank? When it happens does squeezing the fuel bulb bring the revs back up? There is only half a dozen things it would possibly be so they must be close after a couple of visits.


Cormorant squeezing the bulb was the first thing I did and it made no difference.


Here is the Lemon law for Australia.



A man applying for a job at a Mildura Lemon Orchard seemed to be far too qualified and educated for the job.

The foreman frowned and said, "I have to ask you this: Have you had any actual experience in picking lemons?"

He replied: "I've been divorced three times, bought a Leyland P76,40hp Merc , a Beta video player and took up both Telstra floats. Then I voted Kevin '07' lemon and then accepted Julia Gillard.

"How am I doing so far?"


Your hired.

Haha love it thanks mate.

Cheers
Vince

[kizza1]

yeah north coast boating is at warana.
the engine does not detune itself before a service interval. it does change as parts wear but this is over a number of years use and at a very slow rate.

ive had one that would run fine for 45mins-3 hrs and then all of a sudden it would drop a cylinder and fall off the plane. after a retune, carby balance and plug change its been fine ever since.

[Steeler]

Other than the occasional dodgy primer bulb my bud does not see a huge amount of these things in the shop other than regular servicing i know its not what you were hoping to hear but that's what he had to say.

[charlie09]

Hey Steeler no problem mate.

Thanks again

Cheers
Vince

[testlab]

Cormorant that's exactly right. A 2 stroke get its lubrication from the fuel/oil mixture. Hence why I want the motor fixed ASAP while still under warranty.

The symptoms:
1. Doesn't always do it. Can go out for months and not do it then it suddenly does, regardless of amount of fuel in tank.
2. Will idle ok, run ok to half throttle then starts to miss (that's what it sounds like to me anyway).
3. Wont rev beyond half throttle, no power or speed. When the engine runs properly I can get up to 24 or 25 knots. When it plays up I struggle to get 10.

The dealer told me that they "tested" the motor for an hour and found nothing wrong with it.

Cheers
Vince

Is it too late to add 5c worth of opinion?

Is this definitely fuel starvation? I would of thought something so intermittent would be electrical or perhaps a crook temp sensor or ignition module or crank angle sensor putting it into limp mode.

[charlie09]

Never too late testlab, another angle to look at.

Thanks for the post
Vince