Rec anglers rogered again. MBMP arti's

[Lucky_Phill]

As far as I was aware, Charter operators only " may " have access to the South Straddie reef.

Not happy Jan.



LP

[finga]

Gees I must be reading something different Phill.
I see recreational fishing is OK at South Straddy
Recreational fishing is OK at every place mentioned in that document

This is a good thing isn't it?

[Lucky_Phill]

Yes, you miss read.

Rec anglers can fish ALL the arti's as they were designed to " offset " the Recreational Fishing pressure created by the Green Zones in the MBMP.

I was a member of the working group that nutted out the design, costs, sites, sizes and deployment and at NO TIME was Charter Operators allowed to fish these sites, except for the South Straddie one.

Hence, we got rogered again.........

[Lucky_Phill]

Just to clarify.

Recreational Fishing is done for pleasure and not for profit.

Charter and Commercial fishing is for profit. ( business )

The Artifical Reefs are to "OFFSET RECREATIONAL FISHING PRESSURE ".

LP

[PinHead]

Alas LP..they do not care what submissions are made..they just go off and make their own decisions and don't care.

[finga]

Yes, you miss read.

Rec anglers can fish ALL the arti's as they were designed to " offset " the Recreational Fishing pressure created by the Green Zones in the MBMP.

I was a member of the working group that nutted out the design, costs, sites, sizes and deployment and at NO TIME was Charter Operators allowed to fish these sites, except for the South Straddie one.

Hence, we got rogered again.........

Thanks so much for the clarification Phill.
Who else attended the 'nutting out' sessions?

[chris69]

Chater fishing Yes 2 access to one reef for one trip for one hour marine park permit required and they can fish any of the 6 artifical reefs thats what it says in the word doc you have posted, i cant see that a chater boat would both for one hour other than to collect bait and they only have 1hour what ever they do and it says Yes for any receational fisher can fish all 6 artifical reefs and as i read it you to Lucky- Phill can fish the south straddie reef, yes chater boats do it for profit but the have recreational fishers on board, so they have a right to go fishing its just they have paid for someone to take them fishing be it south straddie reef for one hour or else were.

[Lucky_Phill]

True Chris, but my point is , once again, decisons made and agreed to while rec fishos are a party to the process, are churned out totally different to what was promised. It was promised quite clearly and there was no mistaking the intention that these reefs were to " reduce Recreational Fishing Pressure ", not reduce charter fishing or commercial fishing pressures ". There is no grey area, there are Rec, Charter and Commercial fishers. Three very different stakeholders with varying degrees of participation rates, catch rates and economic input.

Also, chris, there is no distinction between anglers onboard a charter, commercial fishers could take part in a charter and also some charter operators have commercial licences. But that is not the point.

Further, an amount of funds were allocated to this project under one Minister with NO administration fees, but in the end and a new Minister, a 10% management fee was deducted.

Scotty,

others on the group were

reps from:-

Sunfish
Spearfishers
Game fishers
Charters
Conservation
DEEDI
DERM

I am attempting to get to the bottom of this decision.

LP.

[Spaniard_King]

Nothings changed then, still do what they want

[finga]

Thank's for the role call Phill.

I wonder if Sunfish will represent us ecreational anglers and have an 'outrage' to the 'decision'??

There supposed to be the peak recreational fishing group in Queensland. It represents our membership of 45,000 individual members and consults widely with the 840 000 recreational anglers in Queensland. Sunfish Qld endeavours to represent their interests through our structure and The Sunfish Mission is to "Ensure quality recreational fishing". In pursuit of that mission Sunfish has three goals.

1.Be an effective representative lobby group for recreational fishing. 2. To have a community well informed on fishing & the issues through education & public awareness.
3.Fisheries sustainability through community participation in planning, research & management Political parties must have a recreational fishing policy within a wider fishing industry policy so that the State’s recreational fishers can assess outcomes and their benefits to recreational fishers and use that in their decision on how to exercise their vote.


Start representing us Sunfish. That's the duty you've charged yourself with.... so do it.

[Captain Incredible]

True Chris, but my point is , once again, decisons made and agreed to while rec fishos are a party to the process, are churned out totally different to what was promised. It was promised quite clearly and there was no mistaking the intention that these reefs were to " reduce Recreational Fishing Pressure ", not reduce charter fishing or commercial fishing pressures ". There is no grey area, there are Rec, Charter and Commercial fishers. Three very different stakeholders with varying degrees of participation rates, catch rates and economic input.

Also, chris, there is no distinction between anglers onboard a charter, commercial fishers could take part in a charter and also some charter operators have commercial licences. But that is not the point.

Further, an amount of funds were allocated to this project under one Minister with NO administration fees, but in the end and a new Minister, a 10% management fee was deducted.

Scotty,

others on the group were

reps from:-

Sunfish
Spearfishers
Game fishers
Charters
Conservation
DEEDI
DERM

I am attempting to get to the bottom of this decision.

LP.

Hello All, I swore I had given up AUSFISH for good. Round peg in a square hole, etc. I have voiced opinions which only drew angst from the audience of AUSFISHERS.

Especially when these opinions were formed after being a part of processes, being a part of stakeholder representations, etc, etc, & working with Government & other stakeholders for holistic outcomes for the benefit of the fishery & all participants whether rec or commercial.

Firstly, to set the record straight once & for all. THERE IS NO CHARTER SECTOR. Fisheries have not undertaken a process to separate charter operators or their clients from the rec sector. There is no recognition of any difference in charter activity from general rec fishing activity. Charter boats are simply "recreational fishing platforms".

Lucky Phil, WHO WERE the supposed charter reps on this Artificial reef committee? It certainly was not me as the Chair of MQ charter Division or any of our membership. In other words, 90% of MBMP charter operators. Did these nobodies own charter licences? Or are they the donkey vote wheeled out (literally) to allow an anti fishing Department like DERM the chance to quash the only real opposition their bullshit proposals?

Sorry Phil, there is a HUGE grey area. Currently there are commercial fishermen and the rec sector which includes ALL charter operators. I personally am hugely concerned that you don't know the true state of play.

For the benefit of all, THERE IS NO CHARTER SECTOR. Until Ecofishers & Sunfish support an Industry Development Plan for charter, which every other State did 10 years ago, there WILL BE NO CHARTER SECTOR.

And let me finish off on this really negative note. Commercial fishermen were eligible for a SAP (Structural Adjustment Payment). CHARTER OPERATORS WERE NOT! (Ask where Tomcat, Seaview, Dominator, Shakara, Witchdoctor, etc, etc, all household charter names are now? The MBMP rezoning was the final straw for these businesses.)

Because of the anomolous position of charter, neither your arse nor your elbow, NOW recreational fishermen are demanding that charter operators not be eligible for the offsets for the loss of fishing grounds to Green Zones.

Not a business eligible for compensation, not a rec able to fish the compensatory artificial reefs.

Fair go Phil. Help put me out of my misery. Either class me as a rec with you blokes or push Fisheries through Tony Ham & his cohort to give charter some recognition as marine businesses. Otherwise you are having your cake & eating it as well. And where is charter.......................

Regards,

Keith

[rando]

And here is another piece of bureaucratic wisdom.
Wild banks ... spear fishing "TO A MAXIMUM OF 12 METRES"
What a joke. !!!!

[Lucky_Phill]

The whole point of this news piece is to highlight the problems that have occured and continue to occur when a non- representative group ( recreational fishers ) are included in committees and working groups, only to have their suggestions and proposals ignored. Why this happens is a mystery.

This is not a debate about Sunfish, who represents Charter Operators or who has a right to fish where.

The " grey " area......... well, Keith, can you confirm that NO SEQ charter operator has a commercial fishing licence ?

Also, I sympathise with any business that is deterimentally affected by government decisions and having said that, maybe the ones whos business plan was not up to speed, suffered the most due to those decisions.

I have a very clear view on the 3 fishing sectors, and there are 3. well, 4 counting the " Shameatures ".
( appologies here, edited 21st sept. remove sectors from above and re[lace with Stakeholders .. phill )
Maybe some people have to take matters into thier own hands and develop artifical reefs of their own undertaking. Well, that has happened already in the MBMP and will continue.

At the end of the day, some sort of representative has to be appointed or stand up for a stakeholder group, whether that group agrees on that person / persons or not. You will never have consensous on a representative, when the group is so huge and widespread, both geographically and ideology orientated.

Let's not get side tracked again. The issue is as simple as this....... DERM says one thing to stakeholders and then does another.

OR... is the minister interfering again ?

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[Smithy]

There was a chance for the "Charter Sector" to be legitimised as part of the Snapper RIS but we all know what happened there, a Sunday morning press release from the minister in the Courier Mail and all the years of hard work and meetings tossed out the window. For the time being we are platforms to take recreational anglers fishing.

[Macks forever]

I have to agree with the theme of the thread that governments and bureaucratic departments twist or totally change things after everyone has agreed and gone home after a long process.

But I also believe the charter sector, as long as it includes the small personalized guided operations - not just the "Platforms", should be legitimized and recognized by government as a separate fishing sector.

Regardless of the Snapper debacle, why can't the legitimization of the Charter industry happen? I know it probably should not be part of this thread but perhaps it should make the list of priorities for Ecofishers and Sunfish? Is it worth another thread?