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    Ausfish Platinum Member Shawn 66's Avatar
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    Re: Cross over boat

    Quote Originally Posted by PADDLES View Post
    what we're doing is bringing up the age old debate of which allrounder to buy that can be towed by a corolla, will fit up a 12 foot wide drain, tow the kids on a tube, fish the shelf and then be nice to spend 5 nights on at tangas in the school holidays. the harsh reality is that boat doesn't exist.

    i think you're being a bit unrealistic with your expectations, you want a 5m boat that will be good up the estuaries and tight water, can be dragged across a rock bar without damage, and then do high speed across the open water on a rough day whilst staying nice and dry and it just doesn't make sense. the only thing that might even come close would be one of those polycraft 530 bowriders and it'd still be wetter than a hookers undies, maybe any 5m glass cuddy would do the job if you were willing to stop runing into rocks.

    there is nothing without compromise, the only real solution is having 2 boats, a cheap 13 foot tinny for the creeks and a 6m plus heavy glass boat for the open water, that's what i've done and the big boat is still krap for fishing out of, but nice to sleep on.
    Classic.
    Shawn

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    Re: Cross over boat

    Quote Originally Posted by PADDLES View Post
    what we're doing is bringing up the age old debate of which allrounder to buy that can be towed by a corolla, will fit up a 12 foot wide drain, tow the kids on a tube, fish the shelf and then be nice to spend 5 nights on at tangas in the school holidays. the harsh reality is that boat doesn't exist.

    i think you're being a bit unrealistic with your expectations, you want a 5m boat that will be good up the estuaries and tight water, can be dragged across a rock bar without damage, and then do high speed across the open water on a rough day whilst staying nice and dry and it just doesn't make sense. the only thing that might even come close would be one of those polycraft 530 bowriders and it'd still be wetter than a hookers undies, maybe any 5m glass cuddy would do the job if you were willing to stop runing into rocks.

    there is nothing without compromise, the only real solution is having 2 boats, a cheap 13 foot tinny for the creeks and a 6m plus heavy glass boat for the open water, that's what i've done and the big boat is still krap for fishing out of, but nice to sleep on.
    I do the same 12ft 6 tinnie with a 15 hp on it for crabbing and fishing in close and the big girl for offshore.

    Cheers Bull

  3. #78
    Ausfish Bronze Member Eug's Avatar
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    Re: Cross over boat

    found one that ticks most of the boxes. triumph boats, anyone heard anything about them?
    lack of domestic dealer support, a few small issues with owners (US forums) and the fact that they haven't really kicked off with the test of time has me quite skeptical.

    quite a number of layouts and fitouts which look great (which i think is all they are, looks). they look like a poly galeforce and would be great here i think, just hoping that polycraft broaden their design and layouts to something similar. in particular the 191FS and 191WT takes my fancy, ingenious rear casting deck design - but the rest of them look the goods also. i just don't like being the guinea pig.

    cheers
    eug

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    Re: Cross over boat

    Quote Originally Posted by PADDLES View Post
    what we're doing is bringing up the age old debate of which allrounder to buy that can be towed by a corolla, will fit up a 12 foot wide drain, tow the kids on a tube, fish the shelf and then be nice to spend 5 nights on at tangas in the school holidays. the harsh reality is that boat doesn't exist.

    i think you're being a bit unrealistic with your expectations, you want a 5m boat that will be good up the estuaries and tight water, can be dragged across a rock bar without damage, and then do high speed across the open water on a rough day whilst staying nice and dry and it just doesn't make sense. the only thing that might even come close would be one of those polycraft 530 bowriders and it'd still be wetter than a hookers undies, maybe any 5m glass cuddy would do the job if you were willing to stop runing into rocks.

    there is nothing without compromise, the only real solution is having 2 boats, a cheap 13 foot tinny for the creeks and a 6m plus heavy glass boat for the open water, that's what i've done and the big boat is still krap for fishing out of, but nice to sleep on.
    sorry Paddles - IMO you're off the mark. This is not an old debate & it covers a relatively new genre of boats that fit in between a classic topender & a tournament bass boat .
    i'm not after a boat to blast out to the shelf ..... just one that can pop its nose into the bay on the right sort of day .
    At 4.8-5M it will be a boat that will be happy in the estuaries ticking around an a leccy but be able to the ability to run fast on closed waterways. Its not going to be dragged over rockbars but it will be in those types of places falling tides can be a biatch! - My 480 Hornet does a reasonable good job - but its too much a flat water boat & misses the mark when faced with any sort of short chop.
    This will not be a family boat ( so no shelter required) - it will be a lurecasting platform that can get around quickly . I dont intend it to be towed by a corolla ( the prado will do nicely
    There are boats that sit in this genre - I harp on the TABS Wildfisher because I know the boat and specifications - there are others that fit the bill as well ....... I'm just trying to find out what they are

    Cheers

    Chris
    Give a man a fish & he will eat for a day !
    Teach him how to fish
    & he will sit in a boat - & drink beer all day!
    TEAM MOJIKO

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    Re: Cross over boat

    Quote Originally Posted by Eug View Post
    just a comment to promote further discussion. while i agree with keeping options open in regards to glass vs tinny, where does budget sit in the equation? i know when i buy things i set a budget and stick to it, give or take 10% or so. if it means going to a lesser vehicle but getting all the goodies or going for a new item but getting the dealer warranty, but with no extras.

    too many times i've said: "for an extra $5k i can get the leather seats and better sound system" only to say: "and for another $2k i can get the bullbar, etc." when really all i wanted was a tow vehicle to begin with. me personally, i like to get the best possible base to build on knowing full well that i'll be changing things as i get accustomed to the new boat/car so while i may not enjoy it immediately i can bide my time waiting for bargains to come up and figure out how to position things.

    just my two cents
    cheers
    eug
    In my case - I've first go to establish what is out there. I dont really have a price range in mind as I will be selling my hornet & be doing some serious saving over the next 6-12 months.
    I guess if I put a number on it - $40K - $50K - i'll stretch it ( or delay it) if the boat & fitout fit my needs ....... I'm in no rush because I currently have a boat Keppel Ck Curtis Is.JPG
    Give a man a fish & he will eat for a day !
    Teach him how to fish
    & he will sit in a boat - & drink beer all day!
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    Re: Cross over boat

    g'day nagg, you've missunderstood my p!ss pull and i wasn't necessarilly pulling the p!ss out of what you're after. the first paragraph IS an extreme view of an age old debate. the second paragraph is describing your requirements and i still feel that there's no way you will be able to realistically satisfy all of them without significant compromise of one of them.

    the sticking point will be a trade off between open water performance and mechanical strength for bashing into stuff and that is an age old debate in itself. a compromise on mechanical strength with more focus on open water ride might be to consider looking at an older fibreglass hull that's built like a tank so bumping into rocks won't tear a hole in it, there have been some fantastic rebuilds of older seafarers and haines hunters turned into centre consoles over the last few years. another compromise will be back the other way and go for a plate alloy centre console, it won't ride quite the same as the glass in open water but will be very stable at rest (with usually a lower deadrise at the bum or maybe a water ballast tube) and be virtually bulletproof around rocks and ramps.

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    Re: Cross over boat

    Check this one out Chris, it is glass, but you won't have to worry about knocking it around too much.....you might have to customise it a bit to suit your needs though

    http://www.boatsales.com.au/boats-fo...spx?R=10903513

    Cheers,

    Matt

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    Ausfish Platinum Member TheSaint's Avatar
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    Re: Cross over boat



    Maybe this?

    http://seahuntboats.com/index.php?op...=101&Itemid=85


    falls into the 40-50k mark..



    I would personally look at Walleye boats from the states as they can do what you looking at..

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    Re: Cross over boat

    Best boat I have ever had for doing similar work as you want to do was a 4.7 cruisecraft lure. Still kick myself for selling it. I fished 20 mile offshore in it some days and did the bass comps in it as well. I did have a keel guard and with a bit of care and repair it was in perfect condition when it was sold. I reckon a signature 485 would be the closest currently available boat to it. Don't forget glass is very easy to have repaired and touched up.

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    Ausfish Platinum Member craigie's Avatar
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    Re: Cross over boat

    A crossover boat is exactly what I was searching for back in 2003, my specs were -

    .A boat suitable for estuary and offshore work at approx 5m in length
    .Quality fit out
    .Smooth ride and speed boat performance @ 40kn
    .Tournament ready if I ever got that interested, live wells, casting deck etc
    . Side console with comfy swivel seats
    . Flat floor so 2 - 3 people could sleep in it overnight
    . underfloor storage, kill tank etc
    . one person operation to get on and off the trailer
    . good re-sale value
    . Can be towed by the old Ford Sedan
    . Something a little different to go with my mid-life crissis (could not afford a Porsche !!).

    This is what I got............


    Cyclone 540 side console & 115 Optimax Merc..........love it !!!
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    Re: Cross over boat

    Quote Originally Posted by craigie View Post
    A crossover boat is exactly what I was searching for back in 2003, my specs were -

    .A boat suitable for estuary and offshore work at approx 5m in length
    .Quality fit out
    .Smooth ride and speed boat performance @ 40kn
    .Tournament ready if I ever got that interested, live wells, casting deck etc
    . Side console with comfy swivel seats
    . Flat floor so 2 - 3 people could sleep in it overnight
    . underfloor storage, kill tank etc
    . one person operation to get on and off the trailer
    . good re-sale value
    . Can be towed by the old Ford Sedan
    . Something a little different to go with my mid-life crissis (could not afford a Porsche !!).

    This is what I got............


    Cyclone 540 side console & 115 Optimax Merc..........love it !!!
    That's quite an interesting boat ....... is it an offshore hull & converted to a side console ?

    Chris
    Give a man a fish & he will eat for a day !
    Teach him how to fish
    & he will sit in a boat - & drink beer all day!
    TEAM MOJIKO

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    Re: Cross over boat

    Quote Originally Posted by perko View Post
    Best boat I have ever had for doing similar work as you want to do was a 4.7 cruisecraft lure. Still kick myself for selling it. I fished 20 mile offshore in it some days and did the bass comps in it as well. I did have a keel guard and with a bit of care and repair it was in perfect condition when it was sold. I reckon a signature 485 would be the closest currently available boat to it. Don't forget glass is very easy to have repaired and touched up.
    Certainly the 485 is on the list - I had a close look at them when they were first released

    Chris
    Give a man a fish & he will eat for a day !
    Teach him how to fish
    & he will sit in a boat - & drink beer all day!
    TEAM MOJIKO

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    Re: Cross over boat

    Quote Originally Posted by craigie View Post
    A crossover boat is exactly what I was searching for back in 2003, my specs were -

    .A boat suitable for estuary and offshore work at approx 5m in length
    .Quality fit out
    .Smooth ride and speed boat performance @ 40kn
    .Tournament ready if I ever got that interested, live wells, casting deck etc
    . Side console with comfy swivel seats
    . Flat floor so 2 - 3 people could sleep in it overnight
    . underfloor storage, kill tank etc
    . one person operation to get on and off the trailer
    . good re-sale value
    . Can be towed by the old Ford Sedan
    . Something a little different to go with my mid-life crissis (could not afford a Porsche !!).

    This is what I got............


    Cyclone 540 side console & 115 Optimax Merc..........love it !!!
    that is interesting. I seem to remember they're now Hooker boats right?
    My thoughts are though (after having several trips in side consoles) is that personally I would have to have some sort of protection. Skipper and I fished Ethel rocks during the hookup and coming back in to Turkey into the teeth of a westerly with wet clothes almost made me into a heifer. Some sort of walkaround would be my option. And of course it depends how far up the creeks you want to go. many of the smaller creeks on the Fraser Coast for example, Tuan and Marroom, I wouldn't take a glass boat into. But glass would be perfect for the nasty chop on the Mary and Susan. But I'm with you Naggs, I appreciate that getting into Marooch river after jack then heading up sandy strait for trumpies then over teh wide bay bar are all things I want to do from one boat.
    Does it exist?....

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    Ausfish Platinum Member deckie's Avatar
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    Re: Cross over boat

    I guess Haines made the 485sf for precisely this sort of thinking... or if u want a tinnie maybe a big Dory with a deck is the go.

    What i dont understand is why you cant ctch a bream anymore with a boat having freeboard or any protection. Must be some sort of sensitive new age bream and bass.

    If u want to head offshore a bit be prepared to compromise on the estuary side of things...unless image is important who the hell cares what you use to catch a bloody bream or bass. You can cast a lure at a bream from anything and you're better off being safe offshore and have a rig capable of handling a follwing swell safely, plus the lumpy standing waves at entrances with tide against wind.

    We can pretend all we like that one of those catfish skateboards is some sort of offshore rig but you wouldnt catch me in it. Couldnt even stand to drive in the stupid thing...and if u sit down it'd feel like being half underwater whilst having your arse pounded and shit scared of any sort of lumpy conditions getting out of trouble...and who the heck wants to spend their time balancing so they dont fall overboard.

    There's nothing that does everything so just decide what is more important or likely to be more frequent. The thing about combining estuary and offshore is there's ALWAYS some form of an entrance between..and there's always accentuated tide/wind conditions that change during the day.

    Something with sides is called a boat..something without sides was once called a raft.

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    Re: Cross over boat

    Quote Originally Posted by deckie View Post
    I guess Haines made the 485sf for precisely this sort of thinking... or if u want a tinnie maybe a big Dory with a deck is the go.

    What i dont understand is why you cant ctch a bream anymore with a boat having freeboard or any protection. Must be some sort of sensitive new age bream and bass.

    If u want to head offshore a bit be prepared to compromise on the estuary side of things...unless image is important who the hell cares what you use to catch a bloody bream or bass. You can cast a lure at a bream from anything and you're better off being safe offshore and have a rig capable of handling a follwing swell safely, plus the lumpy standing waves at entrances with tide against wind.

    We can pretend all we like that one of those catfish skateboards is some sort of offshore rig but you wouldnt catch me in it. Couldnt even stand to drive in the stupid thing...and if u sit down it'd feel like being half underwater whilst having your arse pounded and shit scared of any sort of lumpy conditions getting out of trouble...and who the heck wants to spend their time balancing so they dont fall overboard.

    There's nothing that does everything so just decide what is more important or likely to be more frequent. The thing about combining estuary and offshore is there's ALWAYS some form of an entrance between..and there's always accentuated tide/wind conditions that change during the day.

    Something with sides is called a boat..something without sides was once called a raft.
    Hi Deckie

    It's one of those things ...... once you have lure cast from a stable platform that has a nice flat deck then you never want to go back . A highfreeboad is just the place to bang your rod against when working a lure. -
    I had a 5.35M Quintrex reef raider (CC) in years gone by - and even though it had a casting deck it's not the sort of boat you would want to snag bash out of - fine for HSS for tuna etc. Bass style boats are designed to fish a certain way.
    btw - you would be extremely surprised at just how well those US bass boats handle lumpy conditions.
    Converted dory style boats might be great for punching through a sea but everyone that I've fished out of has been tippy because of the high centre of balance . I'm not expecting the stability of my hornet - but I reckon I can get reasonably close. If conditions get too lumpy , ya just step down into the cockpit.

    I've had my Hornet in horrible conditions ...... I've never felt unsafe , just wet because of the bow design - That's what I want to overcome!

    In a nut shell - If I wanted to spend the majority of my time offshore ..... then I would buy an offshore rig or at very least a bay boat! ... My fishing style is not changing , I just want a little more flexibility

    Chris
    Give a man a fish & he will eat for a day !
    Teach him how to fish
    & he will sit in a boat - & drink beer all day!
    TEAM MOJIKO

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