More On Spirals??

[Out-Station]

G'day everyone. Looks like the next project might be another calstar GF600H bottom basher. Now, following my recent good experiences with my pflueger spiral rebuild i'm thinking of going the spiral way. I have a few "technical" questions re these spirals that i can't seem to find the answers to on the net.

1. The jig rod a worked up as a spiral was a classic jig blank, very parabolic. The calstar on the other hand is be allot faster and tippy in the action. Does a spiral suit the faster tippy action??

2. On the jig rod i put the bottom guide on top as per normal, and then used the next 2 guides at 60 degrees to each other to transission the line to under the blank, the 4th guide from the butt was the first totally under blank guide (i think.. this is the acid wrap way?) On the net there are terms like, acid wrap, revolver wrap, standard spiral all refering to spiral configurations (i think). What are the main recognised configurations and how do they differ to each other?? and when do the different cofigs apply best?

3. Guide spacing - I'm thinking i'll just start out with my standard overhead build spacings, load the blank up and work as per usual working the spaces out. Any rules of thumb or tips on spiral guide spacings??

Any help would be good.

Scott

[Willo]

Hi Scott
The method you are going to use is called the revolver method ,that is using 2 guides to roll the line inder the blank .The other method is called the bumper method and that is taking the line under quickly just using one guide . I have used both methods and I prefer the bumper method .There will be a lot of debate on this subject but thats just my personal opinon . But what ever method you use the advantages of a spiral wrap will become apparent once you actually fish one .
I have built spiral wraps on parabolic and fast tapper actions blanks and spirals suit all applications
Just my two Bobs worth ..LOL
Willo

[grave41]

I love them but im hopeless using a computer. At present im spiral wrapping a 7 ft 3 piece 30lb lamiglass blank . Its a little trickier being 3 piece. I will try to post some photos of it under load as i have only taped the guides on.
Graham

[finga]

Gidday matey.
You like them eh. Told you

Gees it's hard to explain but, like Willo, I use a bumper type guide to get it around.
Guide placement is all trial and error with me.
I tape them on and out into the yard I go trying to cast and trying under full load.
Initially I place them as per pure overhead as that'll get the first guide placement but from then on it's trail and error.

One thing I do do though is the first guide (closest to butt) is not straight up and down. It actually lays over a bit in the opposite direct to the spiral.
I found when the rod is under load the line will ride up a bit on the side of the first guide because of the bumper pulling it to one side.
I roll the first guide over so when under load, the line is in the middle of the blank.
This is so the line will fall into the middle of the spool of a reel without level wind whilst under load.
When I don't do that the line seems to bunch to one side.

Spirals are definitely more work setting out but well worth it I reckon.

PS: I've made a fair few spirals now and just looked in the rack to take a picture but guess what. Not one of the buggers are there.
People have borrowed them to try them and they haven't come back.
The only one I remember is the one I lent Lucky Phill (with 2 L's)
Is that a good thing or bad thing?

Cheers then
Scott (another one)

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[Mark Fisher]

I like the Revolver method and the O'Quinn methods (mostly the O'Quinn for longer rods) like you're doing. With the O'Quinn method you work from the tip towards the butt. Space you 180 degree guides as you would for a spinning rod until you get to the lock up area of the blank. From this area you use a similar method to the revolver style but the spiral is more gradual with smoother angles. There is a little trail and error but the result is way better, IMHO. I usually look at 4 transition guides starting with a slightly offset (same as Finga) 0 degree then moving to a 60, 120 and finally an offset 180. All you are looking at is a smooth flow of line through the guides making sure the line doesn't touch the blank when under load.

Spirals rock!

Mark

[Willo]

Just another point on Bumper Spirals Wraps..flyin the flag a bit here for bumper.....LOL
When I have set the guides up for a Bumper spiral the anlgle of the line on the Stripper ,,,Transition and the third guide and no more accute than the rest of the guides
The trick is to get the line as close to the blank without touching it ...between the stripper and transistion guide
Also casting distance is not a issue with any spiral
Willo

[Out-Station]

Thanks fellas, some good info there. I guess I'll lay it out, fiddle around with various variables and see what looks to fit the blank the best. Also got sent a usefull website so have some study to do!! I learnt about the offset on the first guide after my first attempt so will incorporate that. Just got to work out if I'm a "bumper" a "revolver" or perhaps a O'quin fan, if nothing else I know the lingo now!

Scott