sustainable fishing ideas for the future

[popgun19]

The Government is heading on a path that is not required. Things are going to get harder each year, they seem to have tunnel vision and a one track mindset, bag limits will continue to get smaller, green zones bigger and closures longer.

Too many people just rant and rave when changes take place, before the lock outs, bag restrictions and green zones get any worse, Lets all put forward our ideas on a sustainable solution for the current situation.

Mods feel free to make this a sticky.

Cheers,

Brian

[popgun19]

We can log forests and then regrow them with seedlings, we can breed endangered animals in captivity and release them back into the wild, we can create barra farms, we can do it with crocodiles, we can have great Freashwater restocking programs in our dams.

We Must look at saltwater restocking programs on a mass scale, surely it can be done. If we keep putting seeds into the ground we will reep a great harvest, WAKE UP AND LETS GET BEHIND IT !!!!!

The desalination plants were to be built at the following locations at Marcoola, on the Sunshine Coast, Lytton, at the Port of Brisbane, Bribie Island and at Tugun on the Gold coast. I don't know how many were completed but each one cost about 2 billion. They are all sitting idle and will be for at least the next 20 years.

A desal plant pumps saltwater from the ocean, so why doesn't Anna Build a shed or use the existing sheds and build some holding tanks on on each one, create a few jobs and generate billions of dollars by creating a RRF restocking programme.
Locations are perfect for releasing fingerlings back into the wild also.

benefits:

1. CREATE JOBS IN THE PLANTS
2. KEEP REC, CHARTER AND PRO FISHERS HAPPY AND GENERATING INCOME FOR QLD
3. CREATE A SUSTAINABLE FISHERY FOR FUTURE
4. GENERATE BILLIONS FOR THE SEAFOOD INDUSTY IN QLD THROUGH SALES AROUND AUSTRALIA AND EVEN AN EXPORT MARKET
5. GENERATES MORE JOBS AND INCOME THROUGH TACKLE STORE SALES, FUEL, BAKERIES, BOAT YARDS ETC
6. NO NEED FOR GREEN ZONES ALSO KEEPS THE GREENS HAPPY
7. BAG LIMITS OF SOME SOUGHT WOULD STILL NEED TO BE IN PLACE
8. MARRIAGES SAVED (wives can have a break from us while we fish)

I KNOW IT IS NOT AN ISTANT FIX, but in 10 years we could be bagging out on coral trout and reds in the brizzy river ! win, win, win for all Queenlanders.

Does anyone have some ideas or knowledge on this topic that they can share ?

For those on here that have contact with the libs and labour feel free to pass this on if you think it is a good idea.

Cheers,

Brian

[dnej]

Its interesting, the port of Brisbane extension, when they built the rock wall circle, with one small opening, after a while, the pond was netted, then netted again sometime later. The second time. 13tonnes of fish were netted and released. The opening to the sea was only very small. So If that works, why not create more of those type ponds. Its easy enough, and self sustaining.
David

[FNQCairns]

Cannot work because the greens want all fishing over and done with, any help that allows the sport/pastime/gathering to continue goes directly against their core beliefs.

Bligh is a dyed in the wool radical greenie with all of the stick it up the people social and basic human justice beliefs that go along with that ideology/religion.

Short of the above restocking will make no difference, the take could be argued to be so small ((small scale localised impacts excluded eg a jetty) as to be no higher again than typical mortality from whatever cause over any year...this lack of life pressure on all organisms decreases competiton for space and food and effectively turbcharges the population.

Even with the junk science surrounding the snapper where they cherry picked the data to include and then forced it into a algorithm un-suited to anything in the southern hemisphere with a few designer tweeks to ensure the prerequired outcome........the shortfall is only two snapper farms short.....was the best (worst) outcome they could design given even the ideology government/not for profit organisations scientists operate under today.

Better IMO to worry about the threat climate change advocates pose to all our future survival.

[Lovey80]

1. Ban all Commercial netting in Enclosed waters and Beaches

2. Begin a massive habitat creation program (artificial reefs)

3. Saltwater stocking of inshore species like Jew, Mangrove Jacks etc (waste of time for offshore species IMHO).

[coola]

Hi Popgun19
Brilliant idea, one day we will wake up and vote in people who are smart and will rid our coastlines of illegal fishing,yellow rain coat poachers etc. we should all push for great ideas, I can't wait for the do-gooders and lazy greenies to bag this one.
COOLA

[oldboot]

It has been known a proven that properly managed forestry is one of the most sustainable sources of building material we have.

But the greenies are strobly opposed to any form of logging.

so what hope has open water fish sticking got.

cheers

[NAGG]

We can log forests and then regrow them with seedlings, we can breed endangered animals in captivity and release them back into the wild, we can create barra farms, we can do it with crocodiles, we can have great Freashwater restocking programs in our dams.

We Must look at saltwater restocking programs on a mass scale, surely it can be done. If we keep putting seeds into the ground we will reep a great harvest, WAKE UP AND LETS GET BEHIND IT !!!!!

The desalination plants were to be built at the following locations at Marcoola, on the Sunshine Coast, Lytton, at the Port of Brisbane, Bribie Island and at Tugun on the Gold coast. I don't know how many were completed but each one cost about 2 billion. They are all sitting idle and will be for at least the next 20 years.

A desal plant pumps saltwater from the ocean, so why doesn't Anna Build a shed or use the existing sheds and build some holding tanks on on each one, create a few jobs and generate billions of dollars by creating a RRF restocking programme.
Locations are perfect for releasing fingerlings back into the wild also.

benefits:

1. CREATE JOBS IN THE PLANTS
2. KEEP REC, CHARTER AND PRO FISHERS HAPPY AND GENERATING INCOME FOR QLD
3. CREATE A SUSTAINABLE FISHERY FOR FUTURE
4. GENERATE BILLIONS FOR THE SEAFOOD INDUSTY IN QLD THROUGH SALES AROUND AUSTRALIA AND EVEN AN EXPORT MARKET
5. GENERATES MORE JOBS AND INCOME THROUGH TACKLE STORE SALES, FUEL, BAKERIES, BOAT YARDS ETC
6. NO NEED FOR GREEN ZONES ALSO KEEPS THE GREENS HAPPY
7. BAG LIMITS OF SOME SOUGHT WOULD STILL NEED TO BE IN PLACE
8. MARRIAGES SAVED (wives can have a break from us while we fish)

I KNOW IT IS NOT AN ISTANT FIX, but in 10 years we could be bagging out on coral trout and reds in the brizzy river ! win, win, win for all Queenlanders.

Does anyone have some ideas or knowledge on this topic that they can share ?

For those on here that have contact with the libs and labour feel free to pass this on if you think it is a good idea.

Cheers,

Brian

People just need to go and have a look at the NSW Fisheries web site to read what is possible via a well managed licence scheme ....... this is the first step taken in improving our fisheries........ put money into it! .. A BROKE government will never do it ,,,,, so it needs to come via the rec fishoes (NSW raises on average $10,000,000 annually via the licence) - with a well run Trust - things could improve big time.

Chris

[marty666]

how about more policing of bag and size limits, i have never been checked ever. i have never even see any one who does the checking. I hear of people bagging out there limits and then taking home and freezing there catch, what is the point of doing this you might as well not even taken the excess home as it will no longer be fresh when you go to eat it. Bringing in the licenses will only stop the honest you need to catch the dishonest and prosecute to the full extend sell there gear and boats.

[Lovey80]

Marty, while I agree far more policing needs to be done there are pleanty that will freeze fish as they don't get a chance to getout often enough to keep fresh fish on the table for a variety of reasons. There are pleanty of fish that if treated well after capture. Ie bleed gut gill ice slurry asap will eat just as well frozen as fresh.

[marty666]

Marty, while I agree far more policing needs to be done there are pleanty that will freeze fish as they don't get a chance to getout often enough to keep fresh fish on the table for a variety of reasons. There are pleanty of fish that if treated well after capture. Ie bleed gut gill ice slurry asap will eat just as well frozen as fresh.

i just see it as greedy. i have seen a pic at work one of the guys brought in, his son and boss went fishing and filled the driveway with there catch laid out, now they were with in bag limits and legal sizes and so on but there was that much fish they gave it to friends and froze heaps of it, to me that should be stopped as it has gone past the point of going out for a fish to have a fun time and catch a feed to just being greedy. I personally only keep what can be consumed that night so that there will be fish for my kids and there kids to catch in the future.

[Spot82]

how about more policing of bag and size limits, i have never been checked ever. i have never even see any one who does the checking. I hear of people bagging out there limits and then taking home and freezing there catch, what is the point of doing this you might as well not even taken the excess home as it will no longer be fresh when you go to eat it. Bringing in the licenses will only stop the honest you need to catch the dishonest and prosecute to the full extend sell there gear and boats.

I don't know what fish you have eaten after if has been frozen but most reef fish if packaged properly will freeze extremely well and if defrosted in the fridge tastes as good as fresh. Most seafood you buy in shops has been frozen, and most people wouldn't know any better.

I eat fish three to four times a week on average, and most of my relatives do as well, we never waste any fish, and even use as many of the frames as we can for crab pot bait, steam backbones and wings and make the best home made fish cakes.

So I will continue to go out and catch a good feed once a month to feed myself and my extended family. We release anything we don't want and don't keep everything we catch. I'll happily go snapper fishing and release every fish, because Red Emperor or Coral Trout is far better to eat even after being frozen.

The governement cares more about revenue raising than enforcing the law, so unless they see they can make a good dollar out of it there will never be strong enforcement.

I also believe the best way to create sustainable fish stocks is to increase the amount of habitat through creation of artificial reefs. 98% of the ocean is basically desert, with very little life, especially if you look at areas like moreton bay, acres of sand, and anywhere where there is structure life is abundant! Create more structure = more habitat = more fish that can be sustained in the biomass = better fish stocks! It's not rocket science!

Anthony

[Lovey80]

People just need to go and have a look at the NSW Fisheries web site to read what is possible via a well managed licence scheme ....... this is the first step taken in improving our fisheries........ put money into it! .. A BROKE government will never do it ,,,,, so it needs to come via the rec fishoes (NSW raises on average $10,000,000 annually via the licence) - with a well run Trust - things could improve big time.

Chris

Thanks Chris but I did and posted some of the ridiculously wasteful projects those muppets in NSW spent some of those dollars on. Sure I would support I Licence like I have said again and again but nothing like how the NSW one is run.

[Lovey80]

i just see it as greedy. i have seen a pic at work one of the guys brought in, his son and boss went fishing and filled the driveway with there catch laid out, now they were with in bag limits and legal sizes and so on but there was that much fish they gave it to friends and froze heaps of it, to me that should be stopped as it has gone past the point of going out for a fish to have a fun time and catch a feed to just being greedy. I personally only keep what can be consumed that night so that there will be fish for my kids and there kids to catch in the future.

The thoughts of greed are your opinion. Remember these limits are in possession so if you manage to bag out on a species and chose to freeze them you are not allowed to take other one until they are eaten. Wether you catch fish for that night or chose to freeze some fillets it most likely not relevant to wether your kids and there kids will ever get to catch a fish or not. Many fish freeze very well to the point that the majority would not tell the difference between one of a fillet of caught that day fish and frozen thawed fillet that has been treated well from capture. Very Very few people are capable of hauls like you speak of and if they are within the law then so be it. Don't like it? write to your member for parliament and get the law changed instead of calling people greedy.

[Lovey80]

I don't know what fish you have eaten after if has been frozen but most reef fish if packaged properly will freeze extremely well and if defrosted in the fridge tastes as good as fresh. Most seafood you buy in shops has been frozen, and most people wouldn't know any better.

I eat fish three to four times a week on average, and most of my relatives do as well, we never waste any fish, and even use as many of the frames as we can for crab pot bait, steam backbones and wings and make the best home made fish cakes.

So I will continue to go out and catch a good feed once a month to feed myself and my extended family. We release anything we don't want and don't keep everything we catch. I'll happily go snapper fishing and release every fish, because Red Emperor or Coral Trout is far better to eat even after being frozen.

The governement cares more about revenue raising than enforcing the law, so unless they see they can make a good dollar out of it there will never be strong enforcement.

I also believe the best way to create sustainable fish stocks is to increase the amount of habitat through creation of artificial reefs. 98% of the ocean is basically desert, with very little life, especially if you look at areas like moreton bay, acres of sand, and anywhere where there is structure life is abundant! Create more structure = more habitat = more fish that can be sustained in the biomass = better fish stocks! It's not rocket science!

Anthony

Spot on mate my thoughts exactly!