Fishing survey

[smashed crabs]

They stick cameras in at ramps here time to time but more as a we are watching you type of thing , fisheries here are well under funded and can't patrol the all the ramp , the area here for a couple of Ociffers is huge .

Since they havnt got enough dollars to do the whole job they usually just sit at Dunk Island and get drunk or camp out at Mission Beach enjoying the veiws.

[scifly]

Hi All

Monitoring traffic at boat ramps is not a new idea. CapReef installed vehicle counters at ramps in Central Qld and got a a lot of useful effort information (number of boats). Cameras have been trialled in WA and were very successful at getting effort data and also working out if a boat is recreationally fishing or not.

Combine vehicle counters and cameras and you have a cost effective data collection tool.

I can appreciate concerns about privacy but having been involved in Qld fisheries surveys before, I can gurantee that there will be significant Privacy protections put in place. It would also be counter productive for researchers to also provide the info to the compliance section as the fishing public is unlikley to ever co-ooperate again.

What I dont understand is how fishos complain about the lack of reliable statistics and how the methods are rubbish but when attempts are made to increase the accuracy of statistics, they continue to complain.

Perhaps a more transparent process is to tender out the data collection services so that the people making the management are not the ones providing the unbiased information. Then again, there will be those that dont trust a consultant to be objective....

My advice - dont look for conspiracy theories where there are none, there are enough real issues happening right now which need comment and response from recreational fishers:

1. Marine Park plans in NSW
2. Comment on the new Eastern Tuna and Billfish Fishery Management Plan
3. Comment on the Gulf of Carpentaria Fisheries Review
4. Gearing up for comment on the Rocky Reef Fishery in QLD (Snapper)
5. Grey Mackerel
6. ...

The list goes on and its not getting any shorter
Len

[TheRealAndy]

Its no rumour, I got a letter from Fisheries about it. Will scan and email to Phill tonight so he can distribute via ECOFishers.

[PADDLES]

the cameras sound like a good way to get the info. there's actually a page in nov/dec trailerboat fisherman magazine about a government boat usage survey result, their info came from voluntary logbook info. cameras would get a much greater volume of info a whole lot quicker and hopefully would show government just how many people use the facilities so we can get some better infrastructure.

[rando]

Hi All

Monitoring traffic at boat ramps is not a new idea. CapReef installed vehicle counters at ramps in Central Qld and got a a lot of useful effort information (number of boats). Cameras have been trialled in WA and were very successful at getting effort data and also working out if a boat is recreationally fishing or not.

Combine vehicle counters and cameras and you have a cost effective data collection tool.

I can appreciate concerns about privacy but having been involved in Qld fisheries surveys before, I can gurantee that there will be significant Privacy protections put in place. It would also be counter productive for researchers to also provide the info to the compliance section as the fishing public is unlikley to ever co-ooperate again.

What I dont understand is how fishos complain about the lack of reliable statistics and how the methods are rubbish but when attempts are made to increase the accuracy of statistics, they continue to complain.

Perhaps a more transparent process is to tender out the data collection services so that the people making the management are not the ones providing the unbiased information. Then again, there will be those that dont trust a consultant to be objective....

My advice - dont look for conspiracy theories where there are none, there are enough real issues happening right now which need comment and response from recreational fishers:

1. Marine Park plans in NSW
2. Comment on the new Eastern Tuna and Billfish Fishery Management Plan
3. Comment on the Gulf of Carpentaria Fisheries Review
4. Gearing up for comment on the Rocky Reef Fishery in QLD (Snapper)
5. Grey Mackerel
6. ...

The list goes on and its not getting any shorter
Len

Len ,
I think the level of distrust of the govt is such that anything they do is viewed with suspicion.
And i would have to say we have cause for suspicion.

rando

[finga]

cameras would get a much greater volume of info a whole lot quicker and hopefully would show government just how many people use the facilities so we can get some better infrastructure.

Or it can give them an idea on how much money they could make charging for the services we've already paid for.

I would also be wary for the real reasons of having the cameras but if they're used for the purposes they tell us then all is rosy from my point of view.

I just don't trust the buggers though.....

[testlab]

Or it can give them an idea on how much money they could make charging for the services we've already paid for.

I would also be wary for the real reasons of having the cameras but if they're used for the purposes they tell us then all is rosy from my point of view.

I just don't trust the buggers though.....

I have no doubt the data will be used for exactly the purpose they say they want to gather it for.

But..... then what happens to it? There are no implications under the Privacy Act because it is low resolution, time lapse stuff.... so no personally identifying info that needs to be managed and used strictly as a privacy policy dictates and then disposed of.

So..... there may indeed be nothing to stop a local council asking for copies of the raw footage or the compiled data to justify charging a ramp fee. Or for local residents to easily gather evidence of excesive traffic late at night in a quest to have opening and closing times applied or a ramp closed.

And so on...

I am all for gathering info and using it for the common good, but I do strongly oppose that info then being used for other purposes that are not originally disclosed.

Hence, although I am not in Qld I would suggest representation is made to by a credible alphabet body to an MP or someone similar that the data is confined only to the purpose it was collected for. Otherwise even a lowly FOI may make it available to all and sundry.

[honda900]

Hi All

Monitoring traffic at boat ramps is not a new idea. CapReef installed vehicle counters at ramps in Central Qld and got a a lot of useful effort information (number of boats). Cameras have been trialled in WA and were very successful at getting effort data and also working out if a boat is recreationally fishing or not.

Combine vehicle counters and cameras and you have a cost effective data collection tool.

I can appreciate concerns about privacy but having been involved in Qld fisheries surveys before, I can gurantee that there will be significant Privacy protections put in place. It would also be counter productive for researchers to also provide the info to the compliance section as the fishing public is unlikley to ever co-ooperate again.

What I dont understand is how fishos complain about the lack of reliable statistics and how the methods are rubbish but when attempts are made to increase the accuracy of statistics, they continue to complain.

Perhaps a more transparent process is to tender out the data collection services so that the people making the management are not the ones providing the unbiased information. Then again, there will be those that dont trust a consultant to be objective....

My advice - dont look for conspiracy theories where there are none, there are enough real issues happening right now which need comment and response from recreational fishers:

1. Marine Park plans in NSW
2. Comment on the new Eastern Tuna and Billfish Fishery Management Plan
3. Comment on the Gulf of Carpentaria Fisheries Review
4. Gearing up for comment on the Rocky Reef Fishery in QLD (Snapper)
5. Grey Mackerel
6. ...

The list goes on and its not getting any shorter
Len

So Len..

Please explain to me how a camera taking a photograph of a boat entering or leaving the water is able to provide or validate your statistics on the catch ratio of the boating fraternity.. ie.. how many fish returned in each boat??

Xray cameras??

Quite a bit like your phone survey I would say.. Statistics, you can make them say anthing you want without a single shred of evidence..

garbage in garbage out.


Regards
Honda.