cheers guys i went with the penn slammer 260 the quality just looked nice spooled with 20lb rovex yellow braid altho the shimano reels had a much smoother feel i think i will be going shimano symetre for my next reel they only had the symetre 4000 in stock which i think at 400grams would have been to heavy to flick a squid jig around all day and im keen to start fishing soft plastics as well