Labour all of a sudden taking a keen interest in fishing

[Fafnir]

Some information regarding wireless internet speeds from an article written by Andrew Bolt:

Satellite companies have been the also-rans of Internet providers… Their services can be painfully slow and cost twice as much as high-speed broadband.
But two companies, WildBlue and HughesNet, are now in a race to change all that. Both plan to launch satellites in the next couple of years that will dwarf their predecessors in space.
WildBlue’s alone will have 10 times the capacity of its three current satellites combined. Such behemoths, the companies say, will enable them, at prices similar to what they now charge, to provide Internet service at speeds many times faster than they now offer — as fast, in some cases, as fiber connections. Further, the companies argue, satellites can provide service more easily and cheaply per subscriber than their earthbound cable and phone company competitors… As to satellite’s potential in rural regions, “clearly, there’s an unserved market,” Mr. Slekys said.

WiMAX 2 finalizing soon with 100Mbps speeds
Intel’s upcoming WiMAX 2 standard should be much faster than the existing standard in practice, the WiMAX Forum’s marketing lead Declan Byrne said this weekend. Existing WiMAX often tops at just 3-6Mbps according to estimates from Clear and Sprint, but the new 802.16m version should provide average speeds over 100Mbps, Byrne told Computerworld.

[Fafnir]

Would be nice if like I read this morning, they could agree on a coalition of both sides to govern our great nation.

It would be one of the worst possible things that could happen to our great nation. Two sides not agreeing with each other keeps both on the straight and narrow. If one stuffs up they get voted out. Both sides start working together you can guarantee that they will be looking after themselves and not us voters.

[Pistol_P]

43 billion for a NBN..forget it.

Totally agree.

43 billion could very easy end up at 60 Billion.

Who will be able to afford these ultra fast connections.

Do most of us even need them..?

I would much rather see these 'Billions' they talk of be thrown into new hospitals and health.

Pete

[FNQCairns]

The problem is not just speed but signal strength, our law prohibits individuals actively increasing signal strength to any level fully appropriate.

A person cannot relate their position within a structure as the only position.

the true position is the guaranteed speeds available industry wide, this is the real state of play...effectively if a person in the a feed lot (city) need the net 250k download is considered a perfectly acceptable speed, some people cannot get out of contracts with just 56k speeds at their spot (their spot is where it is at)...any faster than this for wireless and consider yourself lucky when outside of the feed lot mentality.

To view Australia from ones own cloistered provincial viewpoint be it access, speed, cost, whatever is the lowest point of reference available.

Wireless as it stand now without thousands more towers fully dedicated away from mobile phone use is necessary and only then for poor overall coverage to very many. Towers have only limited space on each for new players, either towers 3x taller or gaggles of them to accommodate new players for adjacent regions ...it's a mess of an idea but a fine compliment to a fibre system which is a backbone but a consummate one. The libs keep us behind and trashed telecommunications when they sold of telstra without splitting it first, fibre to cover their mess wouldn't be as big an issue today without their already gutting policies.

$200 dollars per head when already every single household is paying $600.00 per year more than fair value for this network........this is accounting in reverse.We are already the telecommunications laughing stock of the developed world on so many levels.

The fibre links we already have undersea to the rest of the world (the only reason they know we are even here)...perhaps we should cut them and go wireless too? floating rafts of towers would see it 'work' well enough I suspect.

[cormorant]

$200 dollars per head when already every single household is paying $600.00 per year more than fair value for this network........this is accounting in reverse.We are already the telecommunications laughing stock of the developed world on so many levels.

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$200 I am sure it is costed at $2000 per every man woman and child / person to put in the fibre infustructure??????????

Now at $200 that would be a diffeent story. Politicians often get things wrong by a factor 10 and generally to their advantage

Fibre routes will become the business corridors in towns but no need to run fibre to every household. Electricity companies and uilities love it as it gives them a path for smart meters and all that but it has been shown that teh savings don't get back to the consumer. So we pay taxes to put it in and companies thet are now privately owned get the benefit?????


Better internet is great ultimate idea but a universal service on fibre to the home is overkill in my opinion.

The othe rgreat ultimate idea si the "paperless office"remember that one - still hasn't happened

[gr hilly]

if my driveway is 300 mtrs long whats the cost of to me to update to broadband??
Hilly

[gr hilly]

my daughters computer is already 6 times faster than mine,i cant read that fast.
Hilly

[FNQCairns]

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$200 I am sure it is costed at $2000 per every man woman and child / person to put in the fibre infustructure??????????

Now at $200 that would be a diffeent story. Politicians often get things wrong by a factor 10 and generally to their advantage

Fibre routes will become the business corridors in towns but no need to run fibre to every household. Electricity companies and uilities love it as it gives them a path for smart meters and all that but it has been shown that teh savings don't get back to the consumer. So we pay taxes to put it in and companies thet are now privately owned get the benefit?????


Better internet is great ultimate idea but a universal service on fibre to the home is overkill in my opinion.

The other great ultimate idea si the "paperless office"remember that one - still hasn't happened

Personally even if it was 5k it's no big deal (not withstanding politics) because this is actually a true investment in every sense of the word not a one off donation to Scientology like the 40 billion cost sounds on the surface for political gain.

We have near a trillion in personal debt but no-one cares, 40 billion paid back pro rata over 10-15 years is not in truth a check for 40 billion straight up and besides considering the future advancement available we do have to go her anyway, short of launching 500 new geostationary satellites for trillions more.

Howard sold telstra for more than this 40B ($8.00 share price) and now those shares are worthless (truly worthless) at under $3.00 last time i looked. The NBN is a money and GDP making machine even before 20 billion gets spent! discounting the amount we need to pay Telstra 12+ billion for access to what was once our OWN pits!!!!!! Thanks yet again Howard for the vision.

What you say is also what I suspect, they will need to change the name...change the scope just enough to appease, so we might end up with some half arsed hybrid system (like now) and then in 10 years do a rushed NBN style mark 2 roll out to 40% of residential streets with much fanfare and patriotic furvor as badly needed.....how much money has every single household/business flushed down the toilet for overpriced under capable telecommunications since the privatisation of telstra.........seriously it could have already paid for the NBN lock stock and barrel, every 10 years with towers only delivering 10% of whats needed yet another NBN (40B) gets flushed from GDP and consumers wallets covertly one way or another.

We are this solid backwater already...we can again do it as dumb as John Howard would/did through 90% of all policies or we can anti up and save us into the future 100s of billions.

Tony's dream will at least save the majority of consumers from purchasing any new equipment not already 8-10 years old as we should see an end result no better than easily covered by consumer technology built back then for at least the next 20 years.....too crazy to contemplate.

[cormorant]

How much will it cost for the 300m driveway???? Nothin but you will get a lot fitter walking to the boundary every time you want to check your email!!!! Might have to go buy a horse !



Look if it was truely a nationalised broadband system run by the govt and at a fixed price to every consumer and business front door that would be a real system that we only pay once for but then you have to add in the cost of all the telecom companies you need to compensate who are supplying services etc etc. We had that with telstra and aussie post but then people wanted more , or reliable service etc and built their own private networks, couriers.

Wonder why they did that

Labor are still leaving that last final step to "industry" and then you have data allowance etc and no fixed cost..

Governments are poor at supplying good service and up to date inovation at a effective cost and hiding that cost in out taxes or treating it like semi private electricity and dragging out dividends when govt wants them isn't a good way as it just means they drag out more divvy and either prices go up or maintainance of infustructure is forgotten.

Government needs to take leadership and make policy that allows telecom to provide the services but impose a min serice guarantee and a levy so out of the way areas can be serviced.


Now what state infustucture is Anna trying to sell this week???? It is the coal freight lines. What makes you think they won't sell off teh fibre infustructure??? For christs sake don't sell off the rail just charge a rate that makes it profitable and maintains and expands the rail infustructure for teh good of the state.

The goose that lays the golden eggs is all good until teh govt allows the goose to run down and end up in poor condition by stripping money out and then selling out at a discount to replacement.

Yeah right - trust the politicians?????

[FNQCairns]

if my driveway is 300 mtrs long whats the cost of to me to update to broadband??
Hilly

Now? like, do you already have a PTSN phone? but if your talking about if and when fibre doe runs past? copper will carry the data quite well from the fibre on the roadside up driveways same as now. Some might need to upgrade to a higher spec copper line to obtain perfect for distance speeds but that will be their choice.

With luck we will all be allowed to swap our household copper connection at the pit outside to the new fibre one as a matter of course.

[deepfried]

Just got an email from our friends down south. Seems the ALP has decided to invite ECOFishers (NSW) to sit down and discuss some concerns about fishing.

Could it... Is it... Maybe fishing is a bit more of a concern to federal politics now?

I watched the election coverage on Sky News and Kristina Keneally tried to put every positive spin she could on the NSW result. Was very funny to watch, you could see the fear that she knew what was coming her way next year and no doubt the same in Qld. No wonder they want to talk to Ecofishers, i would bet though they are meeting with just about every group they have pissed off and doubt that they can please them all. I hope Ecofishers go and tell them they are shite and have been screwing us over for the green prefs and it is too late to make amends.

A very good situation for rec fishos by the looks of it which hopefully applies to all states. Well done Ecofishers

[cormorant]

Now? like, do you already have a PTSN phone? but if your talking about if and when fibre doe runs past? copper will carry the data quite well from the fibre on the roadside up driveways same as now. Some might need to upgrade to a higher spec copper line to obtain perfect for distance speeds but that will be their choice.

With luck we will all be allowed to swap our household copper connection at the pit outside to the new fibre one as a matter of course.

Mate - copper to fibre requires power - so is labor running power to the bottom of everyones drives as well? Would require a special ruggedised modem as well.

No

A lot of those 300m runs to farms will require extra poles or wire cable suport if above ground.

Choice will be to pay up and have fibre to house or stick on copper. Great thing about copper was that it carried a current and hence powered old style phones. Without power a house with fibre is in the wilderness with no fixed phone for emergencies etc. Power supply at the end of teh line is often very crap and not teh full 240 and electronics don'tlike brown power unless they are designed for it. Most fibre stuff is not designed for it .

not so simple and the deatail is what costs $3


Yeah us idiots in NSW have just seen the birth of teh "new Kristina" that can see non of her problems . Can only hope everyone sees straight through that one.

[Dezzer]

"Labour all of a sudden taking a keen interest in fishing"

Lets hope it is Andy


Don't think I've ever seen a thread get so 'off topic' as this one has.

[PinHead]

looks like Gambaro has tossed out Bevis..so now Coalition will have 73 to ALP's 72 with 4 Independents and 1 Green. I wish these Independents would make up their mind and stop holding the Nation to ransom..they are only 4 reps...not the majority..so get on with it and stop stuffing around. Therein is the problem with Independents..takes a bloody week to decide on anything...and that is wth just a few..imagine the debacle with any more of them.

[FNQCairns]

Mate - copper to fibre requires power - so is labor running power to the bottom of everyones drives as well? Would require a special ruggedised modem as well.

No

A lot of those 300m runs to farms will require extra poles or wire cable suport if above ground.

Choice will be to pay up and have fibre to house or stick on copper. Great thing about copper was that it carried a current and hence powered old style phones. Without power a house with fibre is in the wilderness with no fixed phone for emergencies etc. Power supply at the end of teh line is often very crap and not teh full 240 and electronics don'tlike brown power unless they are designed for it. Most fibre stuff is not designed for it .

not so simple and the deatail is what costs $3


Yeah us idiots in NSW have just seen the birth of teh "new Kristina" that can see non of her problems . Can only hope everyone sees straight through that one.

Dunno but I am sure someone does as the technology is relativly basic today, fibre can carry power and for long runs it will need too. just remains to be seen whether they choose to stick a box on the side of the house for transfer to copper or they switch it in the pits (or even at the exchange) as the fibre will need powered amplifiers at points along it's route depending on length. Option are easy regarding power supply to the copper side.

Certainly if the power goes out the house is in the dark for communications, ups and mobile phones will take up that slack I am sure.

I cannot see optical running into a house to the back of the proprietary router (say), far too confining to gain acceptance I suspect, still the specific NBN detail will be interesting when I come across it.