Originally Posted by GBC
No I dont think they will out handle a liberty on the road, but for towing it will be a much better option and still give you great handling on the road, And yeah the B4 was a great car, all beit some tuning issues. I bet you dont tow with your B4. Nor would i tow with a 3.0l Bspec.
cheers Lee
Isnt the difference between the 2 is that the B4 was a twin turbo and the 3.0lb spec has a naturally aspirated motor but with the Bilstein suspension?
Cheers
Boat: Seafarer Vagabond
Live: Great South East....love Moreton Bay fishing
Ozscott,
yes the B4 is a twin turbo 2.0L motor, the 3.0l Which is now no longer made is naturally aspirated, and yes the b Spec has bilstein suspension and 18inch wheels.
cheers Lee
The 3.0 ltrs sold in Australia were in two specs the 3.0 R , all 5 speed autos and BMW like beige leather with the normal 17" rims . The other was the 3.0 R-B, these were 6 speed manuals or 5 speed autos with 18" wheels .
I think you will find all the later model gen 4, 3.0 lts are spec B.
In any case good cars, not the smothest engines in the business but very reliable and very well built cars.
The B4 badge was only in the gen III turbo cars in Australia ( in Japan they use that in others as well) , here gen 4 turbos were called GT.
Gen III turbos sold here were sequential twin turbos and they had a flat spot like at around 4-4300 rpm when the little turbo runs out of puff and the bigger one hasn't spooled up . Was more noticeable in manual cars, the first cars sold here were all 5 speed manual, later they brought in 5 speed autos .
All 6's were NA .
[quote=lethal098;1199791]Outback is same floorpan as Liberty, 4 cyl 2.5lt is only rated to tow 1400 kg ( both 5 speed manual and 4 speed auto) ,. I may add the manual is a dual range but the difference between high and low is very little.The outback and the Liberty do have different trans fitted to them, the outback would be a far better option for towing but still total 1800kg braked.
The last time I looked at the trannies , they looked the same in both, I don't know if they have different ratios , or they are biffed up though, I never had an outback box apart .
The H6 is rated 1600 kg and as far as I know no manuals sold here , all 5 speed autos .
I may add for the posters benefit all 3.0 Subis need 95 octane petrol , same will all turbos , EJ25 engines only need 91.
I don't know about you but I'm not that way inclined!!!!PS. Is this a love in Hoon?
[quote=wrxhoon;1200165]The transmission case may be the same but the ratios for the outback to liberty are different,
These are all 2004-2009 model vehicles
towing capacity 3L outback Auto only(no Manual trans) 1800kg-90kg down with load level hitch 180kg
liberty 3.0L b spec auto and manual sedan and wagon 1800kg and same down weight
Fuel is minimum 95 but Subaru highly reccomend 98 octane.
Cheers Lee
Thanks gents.
Me either Hoon - well at least the wife and three kids wouldnt think so!
Cheers
PS. One of the best things about the Gen III Liberty was that it had a slightly upright British style to it.
Boat: Seafarer Vagabond
Live: Great South East....love Moreton Bay fishing
[quote=lethal098;1200187]
Ratios on the outback and Liberty 3.0 are the same .
Max tow weight is 1800 kg on both ( I made a mistake there ).
3.0 lt and 2.0 DOHC none turbo recommended fuel is 95 octane ,actually they say you may use 90 if you can't get 95 but performance will suffer,2.5lt is 90 .
Turbos are the only ones Subi recommends to use 98.
The first liberty sold here with a 3.0lt was gen 4, the first outback was a gen III. Gen III cars had 154 kw and gen 4 180 kw .
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I thought so!
I thought I must have misread you Lethal.... True - no towbar on the wife's car.
True sequential believers call the gap between the turbos 'VOD' (Valley of death - a place where you don't want to get stuck, but it's easy enough to drive around)
Yes, she's got a decidedly dodgy tune for aus fuel and there's plenty quicker carts around but we still love her. The mrs has foregone two upgrade opportunities, and just recently I've found myself thinking about spending some cash on it and keeping it. There's just something about the gen 3's.
GBC,
When i worked for Subaru we used to operate a dyno and found a few ways of rejuventaing the B4's. It taks a lot of heat and 6 cans of Upper engine cleaner but once done the performance change was remarkable, its quite dificult without the dyno but i would highly reccomend removing the fuel injectors and having them serviced, while they are out introduce a can of upper engine clean to each cylinder, this will remove a lot of the carbon that builds up inside the bore and on the back of the valves, once injectors go back in get the car runiing, may take a minute or so to kick in but she will smoke like crazy, hold the revs up at about 2500rpm until the smoke clears, take the car for a good hard drive, shut car down and introduce 1 can uec to inlet manifold, turning car over halfway through, allow to sit for 5 minutes, then start car, again may take 30 seconds to fire, hold revs up and introduce the other can while engine running. This procedure will remove most of the carbon that would have built up over time and would have reduced your performance.
cheers Lee
Thanks for the heads up - I'll tell the mechanic.
Billy at CNJ performance looks after it and just happens to have a 4 wheel dyno. He's been trying to talk me into a chip and tune as well for the fuel. I'm not exactly a car tinkerer and $2k buys a fair bit of beer, but apparently it helps with the pinging?
GBC,
Pinging is generally found in those once the carbon has built up, i am pretty sure CNJ do use the UEC but definately ask them the question. If not then carbon will be a big detriment to the cars performance.
cheers Lee
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