Tweed fishing rally - media comments and newspaper poll

[PinHead]

Go The Greens..all they are is a typical Socialist bunch of morons Jim...end of story. All their policies smack of socialist drivel.

"the only Party genuinely committed to the future of this country our grandchildren and the world !"..congratulations Jim..you have provided me with the biggest pile of electoral rubbish I have seen this election campaign.

If they are so good..where is the science regarding these AFFA's? Is there any ?

I know what I want regarding rec fishing..if there is a problem regarding fish stoicks then show me in a complete peer reviewed piece of accurate and recent research. based o nthat, then is steps are required then by all means take them.

Until then, leave my lifestyle alone and stop trying to ram idealist crap down my neck.

What have the greens done regarding the appalling state of the rivers? What have the Greens done to educate people to stop using herbicied etc on their lawns? What have the Greens done in general? SFA in my opinion. Just a bunch of media grabbing warm and fuzzys.


You must get so disappointed at each election...cos the greens will end up the same as the Democrats..everyone will get sick of a small bunch thinking they have control of the country..the sooner the better.

Then of course their is your almighty Leader..the high and mighty Bob Brown..keeps waffling about renewable energy sources..any ideas what he is waffling about..there actually isn't any that can maintain base power requirements.

I do have a problem with some leaders in this election campaign..Brown and Gillard..same as I have a problem with some clergy of some religions..they carry on about what is good for families etc and what families need..how the bloody hell would they know? They don't have kids and never will yet they think they know all about it..bloody hypocrites is all they are.

My personal opinion Jim..the Greens was created for a bunch of followers..those that need a crutch to carry them through life..like some religious people..makes them feel good that they think they may have contributed something to society..when in reality..they have contributed nothing but the group hug feeling makes them feel good. You know..just like the Socialists..we all have the same hence we feel good about it.

[Sevric]

Gee Pinhead what a great reply; a personal thank you from me. It did not seem quite enough to simply post the normal "thanks".
Before moving to Bundy i spent 35 years fishing Snapper off the Tweed and Kingscliff and can not understand how any thinking person could possibly think the greens are trying to benefit the marine environment with their closures. I to saw the rally on Television here, many faces in the crowd familiar to me all known to me as moderate men. These men and their families are being pushed one step to far as in many other coastal villages country wide. Bring on the election and your ripple will gradually turn into a tsunami; bring it on.

[TimiBoy]

Thanks Greg. Best damn reply I have ever seen on Ausfish.

I never thank Pinhead 'cause he never thanks me! But I did this time.

Greens. Party of the Kleptocracy. Not one producer among them. Just a bunch of shop to rubbish bin users, pushing their soft, cuddly communist idealist tripe on everyone so hard it's getting hard to give anyone a job.

When they've finally driven production away their sweet Government paid jobs and fat super will evaporate anyway. And then, I can bank on the fact that Gaia won't give a fat rat's ar$e about them.

Jim Tait favours a no growth economy. There really could be no lower insult.

Tim

[Jim_Tait]

TimiBoy, growth for the sake of growth is the philosophy of cancer, once it has consumed the earth you might get it, or at least your grand kids are going to have to wear it. To believe in sustained growth in the material economy forever, on a finite planet, and not think it will lead to global ecosystem colapse - is like believing in fairies at the bottom of the garden - most of your irk don't give a stuff beyond the 'whats in it it for me now !' type ideal anyway - so I suppose it don't bother you!

Pinhead, you carry on about socialism as though it's the devil itself, I know for sure that I'd rather have democratic socialism than unbridled capitalism any day!!

As some have said, bring on the election,..for better or worse lets have our say, at least I think we all appreciate the fact that we have the opportunity to do so. I think the Green vote is going to increase again this election (as it has for the last several) - lets see who's right...

After that I hope we can go back to being fellow fishers, chewing the fat about fishing and how catching fish give us a buzz !

Regards and tight lines

and PS. Go the Greens!!

[TimiBoy]

TimiBoy, growth for the sake of growth is the philosophy of cancer, once it has consumed the earth you might get it, or at least your grand kids are going to have to wear it. To believe in sustained growth in the material economy forever, on a finite planet, and not think it will lead to global ecosystem colapse - is like believing in fairies at the bottom of the garden - most of your irk don't give a stuff beyond the 'whats in it it for me now !' type ideal anyway - so I suppose it don't bother you!

Pinhead, you carry on about socialism as though it's the devil itself, I know for sure that I'd rather have democratic socialism than unbridled capitalism any day!!

As some have said, bring on the election,..for better or worse lets have our say, at least I think we all appreciate the fact that we have the opportunity to do so. I think the Green vote is going to increase again this election (as it has for the last several) - lets see who's right...

After that I hope we can go back to being fellow fishers, chewing the fat about fishing and how catching fish give us a buzz !

Regards and tight lines

and PS. Go the Greens!!

Bob Brown has clearly stated that he favours this model:

Scientists decide what is a sustainable level of resource use.
Economists design a system for the distribution of those resources.
The poor will be subsidised to maintain a certain standard of living.
The rich will have to find ways to "properly" pay for excesses.

You just don't get it, do you Jim? What is described above has been tried on several occasions throughout Global History, and it has failed on every attempt, because those in Leadership are human.

The sad ideology of "Democratic Socialism" is doomed to fail, because of the human condition. It can only ever survive in the minds of ideologues. I bet you have a Science job, don't you Jim? Pick it a mile away. What you need to understand is that under the circumstances above, those of us who like to fish will lose that right.

Under Bob's preferred regime, we will:

1. Have massive closures to fishing, mostly close to where we like to fish.
2. Not be allowed to use fuel enough to get to distant fishing locations.
3. Not be allowed to put fuel in our boats.
4. Not have jobs.

Bob will say "But you are allowed to fish", but we will all understand that in order to do so we have to ride 200 km on a bicycle.

And there will be similar impacts everywhere in our lives. Don't forget, this same regime lasted about 70 odd years in the USSR.

It's one thing to dislike current Labor policy, but the ideology put forth by the Greens is not something to dislike. It is something to be very worried about, to "Hate", if you like. So don't count on me being your little buddy after the Election. I don't think I'd call an ambulance if I saw a Greenie in an accident.

Tim

[Lucky_Phill]

The policy will go something like this:-

1... legislated 3nm to 200nm Bioregional zones in place

2... fishermen can fish in areas outside the 30% no take areas

3... No take areas ( for ease of policing ) will be the first 30%.. ( first 96k's )

4... States WILL legislate complimentary zoning up to high water mark

5... Mandate E10 fuel and premiums only

6... Australian Marine safety Authority will announce new safety measures for rec fishoes in that they cannot travel more than 90k's offshore due to safety issues.

So, recreational fishers can fish in the waters from 96k's offshore to the 329k limit... " Look you have 60% of the waters to fish in ". Refer to the points above.

Let the Fisheries manage the fishery and DERM manage the environment.

I ask again, where the hell was Bob Down and his minions when the MBMP zones were being mooted and why was he NOT campaigning to have the RIGHT areas protected.

The Greens do not have to qualify, justify or cost ANY of their policies. They will never govern. They serve up more spin than a Yo Yo competition !

Jim,

We all want the same thing and there are ways to go about this, but blanket coverage is not smart, get ya mate Bob to stop the crap happening on the land and you'll see a vast improvement on the water.

Stop land clearing and displacing native animals so " green " farmers can grow lentils and tofu ( end product ) for keyboard scientists.

All IMO and every one is entitled to an opinion.


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[FNQCairns]

I watched BOB! on the national press club yesterday, i had to resist the urge to not press pause and draw Fidel Castros facial hair onto the screen..

Credit where credit is due, the pensioners get a raw deal as do other segments of effectivly voiceless poeple because we do live in such a rich country.........but his other side of the coin is so very dictatorial in implemented reality.

From memory only he is advocating a carbon price that with cpi increase + 5% each year where by 2020 the price will reach $40 per tonne!!!!!!!! this WILL see every struggling Australian (the forgotten true battlers/pensioners etc) forking over through every single purchase a fist load of money to cover this entire useless mandated tax...and we today already understand our essential utilities (BOB sees everything/all activities carbon emitting as absolutely unessential) are already 50% overvalued at the family's door.

And then in Full high definition on a big screen TV his head is near twice the size of those in real life he mentioned quickly the fishers.......rewound to watch this 10 seconds a few times, the tenor in his voice changed as did the look in his eyes n face.... only time throughout that he showed any inkling of human emotion outside of speaker joviality....he hates us with a passion! and we have him rattled already,keep up the good work people, we everyday Anglers are the only subset of Australian society that will still find a voice even when our leaders tell us we don't deserve one.

I think from now on I shall call BOB, Fidel.

[Jim_Tait]

I don't think I'd call an ambulance if I saw a Greenie in an accident.

Tim

Mate, if your mean that your sick with hate, you talk about dictatorial governements but where's your SSS badge?, sorry for you...

[Jim_Tait]

3... No take areas ( for ease of policing ) will be the first 30%.. ( first 96k's )


Stop land clearing and displacing native animals so " green " farmers can grow lentils and tofu ( end product ) for keyboard scientists.
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Phil, if you think closure areas would be based on 'the first 30 K'x..etc) it shows a complete mack of understanding for 'representative areas' - which is how closure areas are chosen, i.e. using science areas that are representative in terms of depth, bottom habitat typology are chosen to be included in closure areas - thats why some good productive fishing areas do end up in closure areas - if it was only the non-productive crap residual areas that went into closures they wouldn't serve their purpose.

Its your National / Liberal party mates that ought to be talked to about stopping land clearing and exporting crap to the marine ecosystem - they're the ones opposed to the Qld tree clearing legislation and were also responsible for lobbying to ensure agriculture wasn't classed as a 'relevant activity' under Qld EPA legislation intended to control pollution.

Yes I am a key board scientist (but not very good on teh keyborad) but I'm also a carnivore and I'd hazard a guess that a greater % of the meat I eat has been caught / hunted by me than many on this site.

I'm also a rural landholder and will compare callouses on hands (re: physical work done) with those urbanites who care to cast aspertions upon my character.

Also for TimiBoy's (a wealthy capitalist - I could tell!!) information - I run a successful self employed business so don't try to insinuate that I as a scientist don't understand free enterprise or capitalism!

Also for FNQ - Fidel is a fisherman - so I don't think its fully approipriate to tag Bob Brown with his name if your intention is to paint his as all things anti-fishing.

Despite all this political banter, I'd be happy to share fishing mateship with all who are prepared to, even you TimmiBoy

[TimiBoy]

So how come you advocate a Communist way of life (for such is your Pretty Boy Bob's ideal) if you are so wise? Seen it work somewhere?

Tim

[Jim_Tait]

So how come you advocate a Communist way of life

Show me where I've done that

[FNQCairns]

Castro was a fisherman, that's interesting, but begs this question - if Cuba's Fidel was born today in Australia would he ever find himself in this country free enough to realise that very same simple opportunity under our home grown green Fidel?

[PinHead]

TimiBoy, growth for the sake of growth is the philosophy of cancer, once it has consumed the earth you might get it, or at least your grand kids are going to have to wear it. To believe in sustained growth in the material economy forever, on a finite planet, and not think it will lead to global ecosystem colapse - is like believing in fairies at the bottom of the garden - most of your irk don't give a stuff beyond the 'whats in it it for me now !' type ideal anyway - so I suppose it don't bother you!

Pinhead, you carry on about socialism as though it's the devil itself, I know for sure that I'd rather have democratic socialism than unbridled capitalism any day!!

As some have said, bring on the election,..for better or worse lets have our say, at least I think we all appreciate the fact that we have the opportunity to do so. I think the Green vote is going to increase again this election (as it has for the last several) - lets see who's right...

After that I hope we can go back to being fellow fishers, chewing the fat about fishing and how catching fish give us a buzz !

Regards and tight lines

and PS. Go the Greens!!

democratic socialism..where the workers control the labout force and the Govt owns the factories etc..but they do geta vote.

Now..if you have read all of Bob's policies..and wow, aren't there some really stupid stataments in that lot..then you would realise that the Greens need capitalism to fund their welfare policies..to start with..who would pay for the extra week's annual leave? Not the workers not the State...nope..those big bad nasty capitalists that employ so many people..shame on them..but of course..they would pass on this cost..and guess what happens..prices increase...a rather inane piece of policy to match most of the rest of them that they have.

[TimiBoy]

Show me where I've done that

You support the Greens, and that is their ultimate objective. A planned economy. Or is Bob the Knob just blustering?

I said before;

"Bob Brown has clearly stated that he favours this model:

Scientists decide what is a sustainable level of resource use.
Economists design a system for the distribution of those resources.
The poor will be subsidised to maintain a certain standard of living.
The rich will have to find ways to "properly" pay for excesses."

I repeat it for your absorption.

Tim

[sleepygreg]

hmmmm..GREENS..would they happen to be the ones that protested against logging in their oh so peaceful ways. Right in Browns own state. Their method was to drive metal spikes into trees that were to be logged. Have you ever seen what happens to a 2.4m dia circular saw on a log line when it hits a hidden metal spike???? I have. Ever seen a human body being taken to the morgue in three seperate body bags? I have.

As far as I am concerned these radical greenies are murderers and terrorists. Its ok for them to 'sacrifice someone elses life' in their quest for their 'ideal' world.....but geeez anyone else who opposes them had better be politically correct. Hypocrites of the highest order.