Waterpolice on nightshift now

[tigermullet]

I can understand the desire to be visible but leaving nav lights on at anchor makes for confusion in a busy waterway.

[finga]

Hands up everyone who leaves their nav lights on at anchor, cos they believed it was making them more visible than just an anchor light..........

Ive always left both lights on all night, now I find this is illegal. I reckon 80-90% of boats I see at anchor would have both lights on.

Andrew

Me....never.
But I always carry a spotty just in case some bozo does not see me.
They cop it if they within cooee of me.

So is drifting classed as underway for the rules of navigational lights or is drifting classed as anchored which contradicts the lifejacket rule???


Sometimes I'll turn the lights on in the shed though.
Just so pretty those red and green colours
Go the BUNNIES

[Marlin_Mike]

Me....never.
But I always carry a spotty just in case some bozo does not see me.
They cop it if they within cooee of me.

So is drifting classed as underway for the rules of navigational lights or is drifting classed as anchored which contradicts the lifejacket rule???


Sometimes I'll turn the lights on in the shed though.
Just so pretty those red and green colours
Go the BUNNIES

OK Scotty, Here ya go, direct from the Australian Boating Manual by Capt Dick Gandy, Pg 36

"UNDERWAY - not at anchor or made fast to the shore or ground - if you are drifting you are underway"

Guess that clarifies things, if you are drifiting you are underway therefore you would need all nav lights on.


Similar word but different meaning:

"Making Way - moving through the water (by engine oars or sails)"

Mike

[ssab1]

G'day,

I'm glad to see the cops out and about as well as MSQ and DPI, etc, etc.

I'm looking forward to not seeing unlit tinnies on the water coming home at night, fewer drunk parties making a mess of everything and bigger catches of my favourite fish because of effective conservation measures.

Bring it on.

Regards,

White Pointer

Hope you have had a lawyer go through the regs with you and checked your boat theres a mile of regs out there that until recently I didnt know of and Ive been boating for 40+ years. cheers alex

[TheRealAndy]

Hope you have had a lawyer go through the regs with you and checked your boat theres a mile of regs out there that until recently I didnt know of and Ive been boating for 40+ years. cheers alex

The law has been there since 1972.

[Razgo-]

Theirs are orange flashing?????????

Mike

My mistake, they are orange! well they look white flashing but when you get up close and personal the lens is definitely orange. I never noticed any of these lights on the old timber ferries though.

will upload some footage later as its very hard to take in bright daylight to see the lights on video bu i am pretty sure i got it.

they are always on and flashing. they flash twice then pause then flash twice in a constant loop.


russ

[ssab1]

The law has been there since 1972.

which law is that, just saw another centre consul being towed poor bugger thinks hes legal, white light is a metre above port and starboard lights, too bad he stands when under way tell him when he gets booked the law has been there since 1972, try reading international rules and compare them to Qld guidelines for lights .Cheers Alex

[ssab1]

Actually, rereading that I am not sure that what I have posted for Annex 1(2)(d) is actually correct with regards to the 2.5m. I dont have the colregs in front of me, but that text is cut and pasted from a website.

Regardless, the 1m part is still correct

whos confused now, the metre is crapp if you obstruct it in anyway, so unless ur a midget it a bloody good trick to be legal , the law been there since 1972 hence the bloody problem which law? and dont forget the light cant distract your vision!! at a metre above the port and starboard normally mounted at approx gunwale height try that at a metre and be legal.That what this thread and others are all about the I THINK Im LEGAL BUT Im NOT.cheers alex

[Marlin_Mike]

whos confused now, the metre is crapp if you obstruct it in anyway, so unless ur a midget it a bloody good trick to be legal , the law been there since 1972 hence the bloody problem which law? and dont forget the light cant distract your vision!! at a metre above the port and starboard normally mounted at approx gunwale height try that at a metre and be legal.That what this thread and others are all about the I THINK Im LEGAL BUT Im NOT.cheers alex

Regardless of anything, it is still the Master of the Vessel's responsibility to ensure his vessel is legal and seaworthy. "I Think". "I Thought I was".............none of that matters.


Mike

[Blackened]

G'day

The city cats have an orange flashing light in addition to their running lights (red, green, masthead and stern lights).

The reason? to make them more visible seeing as they're such a quick moving craft in tight areas with LOTS of background light and distractions.

This was the answer my TAFE teacher told us when asked, that was Ian and Jim at gateway tafe.

Dave

[Kero]

Leigh, any chance of a couple of photos of your work as I am just about to do the same to my runabout?
Cheers,
Andrew

ps. PM me if you wish.

Here you go!

[ssab1]

Here you go!

Looking at the white offset to the side might not comply with as "near as possible to the centre " of port and starboard lights. nice easy spot to mount it ,legal???. cheers alex

[TheRealAndy]

which law is that, just saw another centre consul being towed poor bugger thinks hes legal, white light is a metre above port and starboard lights, too bad he stands when under way tell him when he gets booked the law has been there since 1972, try reading international rules and compare them to Qld guidelines for lights .Cheers Alex

The law is the Internation Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea, 1972. It is International Law, and it is legislated by both at Federal and State Levels.

For your reference, the QLD legislation is here: http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LE...stOpMSyR04.pdf

It even puts emphasis on 'all round light':

all-round light see the collision regulations, rule 21(e).
Editor’s note—
Collision regulations, rule 21(e) (Definitions)—
All-round light means a light showing an unbroken light over an arc of
the horizon of 360 degrees.

That law says that one of the qualifactions required for a Recreational Marine Drivers Licence is that you must have knowledge of the collision regulations.

whos confused now, the metre is crapp if you obstruct it in anyway, so unless ur a midget it a bloody good trick to be legal , the law been there since 1972 hence the bloody problem which law? and dont forget the light cant distract your vision!! at a metre above the port and starboard normally mounted at approx gunwale height try that at a metre and be legal.That what this thread and others are all about the I THINK Im LEGAL BUT Im NOT.cheers alex

IF you put black gaffa tape over your car headlights would you think that was legal too? Imagine if you parked you car in the middle of the bruce highway and turned all you lights off, or drove along a dark road with all you lights switched off? The principle is the same.

The law is there, it has been since 1972 and there is no excuse for any boat owner to not know the law. Ignorance is no excuse.

ITs your job as a skipper and boat owner to ensure you boat complies with the law.

[TheRealAndy]

BTW. This doc from MSQ says it all in laymans terms.

http://www.msq.qld.gov.au/~/media/ms...nav_lights.pdf

[finga]

Hey Andy. That's the link I put up at the beginning of the thread and they say the all round light can be obstructed by 6 degrees.

Now...(not directed to you Andy)....Does this mean if the light is about 1m above nav lights and the nav lights are mounted around gunwale height and the all round is about 1m above the nav. lights and if you take into account the nav. lights are about 600mm (.6m) above the floor so that would make the average all round light about 1.6 metres above the floor.
Now for me I'm short. About 1.53m to the base of the noggin and about 1.53m across the @rse but that's another story...
So if I'm 1.53 to the base of the neck then the all round light is obstructed only by the back of my my noggin as the all round light cannot shine in my eyes.
I have a fat head so that's about 180mm across.
Now if the all round light is 2m from my noggin then the angle that the all round light is obstructed by is 5.15 degrees.
If the all round light was 1.75m from my noggin then the angle of obstruction is 5.88 degrees.
So in this case, and for my height, if my all round light is 1.6m or more above deck height (and the all round light is over 1m above my nav. lights) and the all round light is more then 1.75m away from me are the lights legal on my boat? According to the math and the link then they should be right...shouldn't they??
(I'm starting to sound like a greeny I reckon. If you can't persuade them with facts then baffle them with bull$hit...well in this case mostly facts but... :rolleyes

Now. If the single all round light was deemed illegal and I put a stern light on then that'll have to be illegal too on most of the boats I see fitted with them as the outboard would obstruct them to one side.
Has anybody been been booked for that??
Has anybody been booked for only having an all round light on whilst drifting??

It's all nearly as bad as a mate of mine who was pulled up and booked because the flashing orange light on the rear of his dropdeck trailer was an orange strobe and not a rotating beacon.
Apparently strobe type lights are not allowed according to the coppers.
Matey was not game to point to the roof of the cop car and ask the obvious question.