Tiwi Pearl. SUNK !!!!!!

[Marlin_Mike]

I see Mr Robinson watches Go99 on the weekend for his fix of Get Smart...............

[charleville]

the Tiwi Pearl had been discovered a whole 50 metres from its intended resting place on Harry Atkinson reef, ending her pretense that she successfully sunk the boat.

As someone who writes a whole lot of eccentric waffle in the fishing reports on Ausfish, I am hardly one to criticise people who choose to contribute any sort of material on the same website.


However, other than for the purposes of political partisan extremism, I sure do wonder what the fuss is all about over this matter.


From my maritimely naive, politically naive perspective, I am delighted to see the ship sunk in the bay, no matter who sinks it, and for that matter no matter where it is sunk because it is one fish-holding structure that we did not have before and one more than I can remember being placed out there at least in the past ten years.


Every time that I fish at the Harry Atkinson Artificial Reef, I write a report that usually says, "Today, I did my annual "Now I know why I never fish at the Harry Atkinson Artificial Reef" trip to the Harry Atkinson artificial reef" That is because, for me, that reef is usually a desert except for a few school mackerel from time to time and undersized squire.

By comparison, I have taken home fish on 100% of my trips to Mud Island this year.


So do I care if the boat was sunk 50 m away from where it was supposed to be? Nah - I don't give a s%&t. It might be a different story if we were talking about misplacement in Tingalpa Creek or Schultze's Canal but fifty metres is a non-event in the wide expanse of water around Harry's. I am lucky if I can even anchor as accurately close as 50 m to an intended mark.


Is it the fault of the minister who funded the initiative that the people who were contracted to scuttle the ship got it wrong by fifty metres? If it is, I cannot see the logic in that any more than that the federal minister who funded the home insulation scheme is somehow responsible for a whole lot of dangerous work practices by opportunistic shonks doing the work.


Is it the minister's fault that the anchor rope broke, if that did indeed happen?

Well, if you believe that it is, you had better explain it to me in pretty simple terms because as a retired registered professional engineer, I struggle to know how that is any more true than if you want to blame a real estate investor, ie the person funding a building project, for the inadequacy of the factors of safety calculation built into the selection of bolts holding down the building in cyclones. In just ain't the minister's job to ascertain the technical aspects of the task. That is for someone else to take responsibility for.


Remember the boating safety slogan, "You are the skipper, you are the one responsible"? Well in this case, the one responsible for anything amiss in the execution of the scuttling was the person in charge of the execution of that, not the person funding the exercise. If conditions were not right, then it was the obligation of that person to delay the project until they were.


One sunken boat is not going to solve the overcrowding of boats that happens at Harrys' but it is a good start and they have to start somewhere.


So that is my $0.02 worth but other than that, I am happy as a pig in mud that another fish holding structure has been added to the bay.

As for the politics, I could not give a continental, as the Americans would say. I just want to go fishin'!


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[TheRealAndy]

As for the politics, I could not give a continental, as the Americans would say. I just want to go fishin'!


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Problem is, the politics is going to prevent you going fishing soon...

[Lucky_Phill]

Thanks for the long reply charleville and you are most certainly entitled to your opinion. You are correct in that the ship is now sunk and it will provide an extension to the overcrowded area known as Harry Atkinson Reef.

Be aware that more arti is to be placed in this area and in fact up to 30 tons of concrete pipes and culvert. It is hoped that a continuing placement of arti reef at Harry's will continue for some time.

In your reply, you quoted me, in fact that was a quote from Mark Robinson MLA. NO biggie.

1...There are those here that just want to fish.

2....There are those here that would like to get political mileage out of this.

3....There are those here that are involved in the arti reef process in MBMP.

4.....There are those here that are doing their best to help the people referred to in number 1. Without those people, the number ones may not have a place to fish.

Overall, it's a good thing. Way too late IMO.

No matter what you or anyone else perceives this to be, it is political posturing. Simple. They are using us to pad their ideals which they then sell to us.

If you do not have an interest in the politics, that's OK, it is definitely not for everyone.




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[Lucky_Phill]

For those that fish that area, the following may be of interest.

Images provided by DERM.

I hope this is the start of a transparency by Government that has long been the top of the list for ECOfishers Qld.

The location by definition of Tiwi Pearl




And end view of the upright position in which it resides.



A cross beam view.



Once again, thanks to the DERM arti managers for their support.



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[Lucky_Phill]

OH..... I suppose you'll need to see this:-






may the fish congregate and copulate at this contraption.. !!!!



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[finga]

Are those wavey red lines that show on the sounder around, what seems to be the wreck, the schools of fish that are reported to be there now??

It would have been nice to be able to see her go down. But what is...is I suppose.

[TheRealAndy]

Are those wavey red lines that show on the sounder around, what seems to be the wreck, the schools of fish that are reported to be there now??

It would have been nice to be able to see her go down. But what is...is I suppose.

I would suggest that those wavy red lines are something else. I am getting angry now because I cant think of the term to describe it, suffice to say its an error reading.. If you look at the seafloor, you will see the same wavy lines. The waves are a result of the boat moving up and down with the waves on the surface.

[Lucky_Phill]

The sensitivity is turned way up on the sounder.


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[TheRealAndy]

The sensitivity is turned way up on the sounder.


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Its basically the sonar ping going down, then up to the transducer, then boucing back down and getting detected a second time. There is a term for it, but it still escapes me.

[Black_Rat]

Its basically the sonar ping going down, then up to the transducer, then boucing back down and getting detected a second time. There is a term for it, but it still escapes me.

Sonar echo ?

[charleville]

In your reply, you quoted me, in fact that was a quote from Mark Robinson MLA. NO biggie.
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Thanks Lucky_Phill.

Ah yes - clearly I was not intending that anyone should associate the quote with you. It is just the way that the system works. If I want to click on the quote tab, your screen name gets associated. In hindsight, I should have deleted your screen name in the quote.

Naturally, as an effective, competent moderator, we should expect that you take a disinterested, as distinct from "uninterested", position on all postings and would not expect you to be making such provocative comments as the MLA has done.


My point is simply that extreme political rhetoric might go over well with the various slogan chanting, party faithful in other places but on a website like this, there would be a fair number of swinging voters like me with voting intentions in the next election yet to be decided and to us, the bagging of a minister loses all credibility unless the issue is significant.

No fair minded person will call a deviation of 50 m in the final resting place of the Tiwi Pearl from its intended original notional locale, in the vastness of Moreton Bay, significant.

To do so is just plain silly and diminishes the credibility of future posts by the people who do so. Viz, they are plainly working to an agenda which has little to do with fishing.


ie If people want to influence the thinking, swinging voter, they need to be submit rational argument. Anything else is counterproductive to their cause.


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[TimiBoy]

No fair minded person will call a deviation of 50 m in the final resting place of the Tiwi Pearl from its intended original notional locale, in the vastness of Moreton Bay, significant.

Charlie, the distance is only a part (a small part) of the issue:

1. The Tiwi should not have been taken to sea at all with the conditions forecast. She (Kate Jones) didn't listen to advice. Why? We will never know...
2. It has taken a whole year for us to receive "compensation" for the loss of 500 square km of the Bay. One 30 metre long reef? Gee, thanks.
3. That 50 m makes all the difference in the world! It should have ended up in the depths, not on the bank. It is now very close (TOO CLOSE) to shallow water to the South, and it just shouldn't be.

Given the way we have been screwed over in the Bay and elsewhere, this ABSOLUTELY, HAD TO BE done right. It wasn't. IMO she should go to the gallows for it (in a political sense).

The handling of this from Go to WOE has been dismal, and Mark Robinson (who is a keen Rec Angler) is livid about it. He is also using it to gain Political points. That riles me up at times but that's his job. They ALL do it. Every single one of them.

You'll never find anyone to vote for if you get upset about cheap political point scoring.

Cheers,

Tim

[TimiBoy]

The sensitivity is turned way up on the sounder.


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Which is the depth reading, on that sounder? Is it in feet or metres or fathoms or what???

Cheers,

Tim


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[Lucky_Phill]

All good points charleville.

Although as you suggested, I take disinterested position on posts, yep sort of. I am just like you and the bloke next door. I fish, and wouldn't it be great if I could just do that and not have to worry about 4,891,952 rules relating to Zones, Fish sizes, bag limit, closed seasons, fin clipping, go slow areas, yellow zones, olive zones and the list goes on.

As Timiboy pointed out, the 50 meters is not the only issue here, but there is nothing we can do about it now, other than hope the current Minister and the new one will get it right.

To get it right they simply need to listen and act on stakeholders advice and NOT advice from the ' in house spin doctors '.

Sorry to make this political, but the fact remains that Politicians make the rules under which we fish and they do NOT always listen to their own departments advice, stakeholder advice or commonsense.............they make decisions to gain or keep a vote.

Damn I hate the track we go down sometimes, but in the end we must follow the path, maintain and enhance the path, make the path attractive to the pollies and maybe, just maybe , then......... we can all simply...... Go Fishing !


I thank you for your input and look forward to your continued contributions.


Cheers Phill
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