Once again this whole discussion point turns into a nightmare and a sh*tfight!!! I just wish the gubment could bl**dy well put the rules and regulations in plain english on a website someplace so we could all read them and know 100% for sure what the deal is.
I too am interested in towing a >2.5m beam trailerboat and cannot for the life of me find the true story.
Thinking outside the square a little....Would it be possible to 'carry' an oversize boat on something like a flat bed truck...something like an RACQ tow truck? You could have the boat sitting on a much lighter trailer which you would just use at the ramp. I guess you'd need a truck licence but it's probably easier to obtain one of those than an elsuive permit. I know it's not ideal but could it be done?
you could just tow it with the truck....ya going to have to have a permit or some other type of authorisation any way if it is over 2.5 meters.
Yes you could think out side the square.....Sterfan draggs his big pink boat arround on its personal semi trailer.....with no never mind........ and that boat is way wider than 2.5 meters...... BUT it travels tilted up to about 45% on one side....it looks realy COOL tilted up that way, because you can see the whole boat .......but that wouldn't have been a consideration...no
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Its the details, those little details, that make the difference.
I guess what I was getting at with the 'carrying' part is avoiding all the towing rules and regs. Also, I think there would be a huge saving building a light (cheap) trailer to cradle the boat whilst it is on the tray rather than a u-beaut, tri axle, fully braked etc etc (bloody expensive) tow trailer.
Just a thought.
Ahh well .. and this is important...it isn't a towing issue.......it is an over dimension load issue.
The only reason it is a towing issue is that mostly recreational boats just happen to me moved on trailers.
Even if you built a special truck and the whole caboodle weighed less than 4.5 tonne and could be driven on a passenger car licence all the overdimension loads issues will remain the same.
And by the way it isn't just width, length and height are also specified, but they don't seem to be an issue.
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Its the details, those little details, that make the difference.
I think Rat Catcher nailed it here guys,
Your Crazy Banana Bender Government needs to get its shit together......
Here in Vic I can tow up to 3.5m wide, with NO PERMIT, but obviously must comply with the guidelines set down by Vicroads which does exclude some travel times, roads and periods (logically). Also NO truck/truck licence required (generally speaking).
The "light trailer" classification ends at 4500kg gross weight. If you have a passenger vehicle rated to the weight of your LOAD, then again, logically, you can tow it with said passenger vehicle.
Could not be more simple down here guys! and when you speak to the appropriate section at Vicroads they will tell you: oversize loads (boats and many other categories) are commonplace and becomming more so and Vicroads approach is about enabling people to move these "oversize/overmass" loads rather than being yet another obstacle in their way...
Forward thinking and logical and appreciated.
I replied in the topic of a week or 2 ago also and would be interested to hear if there is a definitive answer on oversize/overmass objects in QLD. People who move large earthmoving machinery must obtain a permit to do so and if they can get one then the bloke with an overwidth boat can get one. They cannot discriminate one against the other. Not in these modern times.
So.... whats the go, from someone with the facts? I really don't want to spend time making phone calls for issues in a state that do not concern me.
Cheers guys
This is a cut & paste of my post in the other towing thread. Leigh
Nick / BM, is this the info you where talking about for victoria? http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...VRPIN00966.pdf
If so that is heavey vehicle section.
Can some one put up the info from each state where it says its ok to tow over width loads with passenger vehicles ? Leigh
PS, I have looked for vic, nsw & qld & all the info i can find( doesn't mean there isnt more) is all related to heavey vehicles ie over 4.5t
Lee8sec,
Correct! That is the document covering overwidth/overmass vehicles for Victoria. INCORRECT, re heavy vehicle section.
If you speak with the relevant section of Vicroads they will advise you (as they have done me on several occasions now) that the documentation does not only relate to trucks/heavy vehicles, but ALL vehicles towing overwidth/overmass loads up to 49.5 tons.
I have a heavy vehicle licence and an appropriate truck (can't tow though as it doesn't have a tow hitch and is not what the truck is used for anyway).
But that bulletin that you linked to IS and I'll repeat that, it IS the defining document covering overwidth transport around the state of Victoria.
Why would I go out on a limb and publicly state something that was not accurate?? Sure I may make mistakes from time to time but I have researched this many times now.. Its correct.
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as for the blokes up here in the transport industry.........yeh they mode heaps of big things.
When we travel north...we note hoe many "big things" we encounter.....and we dont count it as a "big thing" unless it has flags, lights and a wide load sign.....one trip we counted 27 "big things" between here and townsville.
things have been sreamlined for those guys, if it is under a certain size they have it pretty easy......BUT... and this is the issue.........they are not towing with pasenger vehicles on pasenger licences........... and they have acreditations, risk assessments, work method statements ......... and plenty of experience.
cheers
Its the details, those little details, that make the difference.
Nick in the top rh corner it states it covers class 1,2 & 3 vehicles, they are all HEAVEY vehicles not cars. If you look at the sub section of where that bulliten comes from it is heavey vehicles.
Can you get in writing from vic roads that it includes passenger car / utes towing boats? Leigh
Originally Posted by BM
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...ssVehicles.htm
This is where the bulliten came from. And you are correct, it is the defining item, but for TRUCKS.
It would be great IF they allowed it for under 4.5t tow rigs, imagine all the import boats we could get. Leigh
And by the same culpritsOnce again this whole discussion point turns into a nightmare and a sh*tfight!!
I'd like to know if anyone has ever been denied an insurance claim because their boat was too wide?
Those Trailcraft owners to name just one might want to find out where they stand if that is the case.
Lee8sec,
Ring Vicroads and speak to them about it and they will enlighten you..!! You do not understand the terminology here in Victoria. The reference to a Class1 vehicle refers to a "vehicle that, in carrying a large indivisible item, exceeds one or more the general mass and dimension limits of Part 4 in the Road Safety (Vehicle) Regulations 1999". DOES NOT need to be a heavy vehicle.
I understand your perspective and the fact that the bulletin has a truck on the front cover and refers to heavy vehicles but it refers to vehicles nonetheless and this is an important point.
Cheers
Nick, i have just moved from NSW to Qld, it makes no differance to me what the vic rules are but to rely on a verbal OK from some one in vic roads & have a accident & find out its wrong could be the end for some one in victoria. no where does it say it covers cars.
If it does, i will be happy to be shown where and proved wrong. Leigh
Class 1 by vic road definison. Leigh
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...bileCranes.htm
PS, i lived in vic for 22 years
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