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Thread: Anyone else thinking about running 2 stroke oil in their diesel?

  1. #46

    Re: Anyone else thinking about running 2 stroke oil in their diesel?

    OB
    Geez i wish i knew as much as you!!!!
    Jim

  2. #47

    Re: Anyone else thinking about running 2 stroke oil in their diesel?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbamb View Post
    OB
    Geez i wish i knew as much as you!!!!
    Jim
    Yeh lots of people wish they knew as much as me.......the sad thing is it would be very simple.....ya just have to make the effort the read and understand....but ya need to make the effort to read and or understand the whole thing.....

    now back to Reel Hard

    I think most of us understand the basics of petrolium distilation and futher than simply cutting and pasting...particularly from an unspecified canadian source.

    The "Manufaturers dont recomend additives" issue has been well and truly addressed concerning this matter and others.

    Neither fuel or motor vehicle manufacturers are inclined to recommend additives of any type for a variety of reasons.

    The main reason is that they have neither the time, money, nor the inclination to test third party additives with their products. They therefor protect themselves from liability by generally not recommending any additives of any type for use with their products.

    Secondly it is a matter of confidence...if a manufacturer recomended additives that would be a tacid admission that their product was somehow inferiour.

    Thus it is very rare for any fuel company to directly market additives, although some do via differently branded subsiduary companies..this way the additives are kept at arms length.

    As for diesel being an "oil".......if the base product had sufficient lubricity on its own it would not require lubricity agents and additives to be mixed in , or remain at manufacture...be it sulphur or some other additive.
    Note that some oil companies are marketing premium diesel products claiming improved lubricity as a selling point and a point of difference over standard fuels

    Now.
    worldwide there are various standards for fuel, standards that specify the minimum lubricity among other things.

    Remeber your fuel companies are in the business of making money, and have a long and consistent history of cutting costs no matter how small wherever they can.

    So fuel companies will make a diesel fuel as cheap as they possibly can and that means putting the fewest and cheapest additives they can and still have a salable product.

    The commercial pump fuels may indeed have "Sufficient Lubricity" as judged by minimum specifications laid down, this does not mean that we can not improve the lubricity of the fuel we use by using simple and very low cost, commonly available additive.

    Improvement in lubricity will have commonsence results of less wear on fuel system components.

    The improvement of lubricicity and the results that flow on have been well documented and proven.

    There is a huge body of information and discussion on this matter on the net from a variety of sources.....some of the better threads have been going for many years and are still active.

    Some of us have done extensive reading on the matter...I my self spent many hours reading some of the better threads and following references before I put any two stroke near my diesel fuel.

    If ya going to come onto any mature thread on Two stroke in diesel with ya "anti additive rhetoric", ya better have done you homework well, and preferably with some first hand evidence, because whatever it is, the argument has been well and truly canvased in detail many times.

    cheers
    Its the details, those little details, that make the difference.

  3. #48

    Re: Anyone else thinking about running 2 stroke oil in their diesel?

    Well I guess OB if you read it on the internet it must be correct. After all only the truth gets posted there.

    "If ya going to come onto any mature thread on Two stroke in diesel with ya "anti additive rhetoric", ya better have done you homework well, and preferably with some first hand evidence, because whatever it is, the argument has been well and truly canvased in detail many times."

    Who do I think I am, to enter a so called "mature thread" in an open public forum, where the writer asked a question, only to offer a different opinion to the internet expert you obvioulsy are OB.

  4. #49

    Thumbs down Re: Anyone else thinking about running 2 stroke oil in their diesel?

    Said it before and I'll say it again.
    "If you want to spend moneyto make your diesel engine and pump last longer, then you should upgrade the fuel filter system and service it more regularly.:

  5. #50

    Re: Anyone else thinking about running 2 stroke oil in their diesel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reel Hard View Post
    Well I guess OB if you read it on the internet it must be correct. After all only the truth gets posted there.

    "If ya going to come onto any mature thread on Two stroke in diesel with ya "anti additive rhetoric", ya better have done you homework well, and preferably with some first hand evidence, because whatever it is, the argument has been well and truly canvased in detail many times."

    Who do I think I am, to enter a so called "mature thread" in an open public forum, where the writer asked a question, only to offer a different opinion to the internet expert you obvioulsy are OB.
    I'm a smart @r$e....sorry...... I got used to the fact a very long time ago......when I was young before the internet people used to critisise me because a lot of what I learned came from books and magazines ( books and magazines they could not be bothered reading).....these days there is any sort of information you care to name on the internet, available quickly and easily and at very low cost.
    If you are not using the internet to learn you are at a considerable disadvantage.

    The whole notion of two stroke in diesel would have gone nowhere without internet forums......as it stands, it is a well proven idea and the details of how it works the benifits and drawbacks are well understood.

    Mate facts is facts, and reason is reason, regardless of the media the information is born on.

    Like the sources of information in the past, we have to judge information on the internet, by the quality of the argument and the sources of the information and then compare what other sources and arguments on the matter...then satisfy ourselves in practical terms.

    This is a thread nearly 2 years old....most of us who are still interested in this have done quite a bit of reading, thinking and reasoning and most of us some sort of first hand testing on the matter.

    Sorry your argument is poor and we have all heard it before.

    Most of us will be doing regular servicing of our filtration, and use of two stroke in diesel is not argued as a substitute for regularity of servicing, upgrading of filtration or use of quality fuels and oils.

    cheers
    Its the details, those little details, that make the difference.

  6. #51

    Re: Anyone else thinking about running 2 stroke oil in their diesel?

    Quote Originally Posted by oldboot View Post
    Note that some oil companies are marketing premium diesel products claiming improved lubricity as a selling point and a point of difference over standard fuels
    cheers
    Which companies advertise "Now with greater lubricity!!!!"??
    I intend on living for-ever....so far so good


  7. #52

    Re: Anyone else thinking about running 2 stroke oil in their diesel?

    All these things start with bad diesel. Maybe we should be designing a tester / analyser on the fuel line that checks the lubricity/ density and so on of diesel and that way you would know if it was going to create extra wear .

    Doesn't surprise me a bit that half the additives they test don't do much but they may have started with a specific pupose ( not wear related) and then advertising takes over and they are a cure all for all diesel issues.

  8. #53

    Re: Anyone else thinking about running 2 stroke oil in their diesel?

    Near 30yrs in the industry has proven to me that the biggest cause of failure in fuel system is not related to wear from less lubicity.

    Poor quality or contaminated fuel is the major cause of fuel systems failure and excess wear rates.
    A drop of water can kill a CR system, and repair cost can write the vehicle or engine off.
    Most factory filtering systems are capable of doing the job only if good fuel is always used. Get a tank of shxt fuel and the filters are in need of replacement and no longer doing the job.
    You cannot always gaurantee the fuel you purchase is up to scratch.
    So fit a better quality filtering system, service it regularly and prime it using the recomended procedure.
    Oh and dont run it out of fuel.

  9. #54

    Re: Anyone else thinking about running 2 stroke oil in their diesel?

    Quote Originally Posted by oldboot View Post
    That would have to be one of the most ignorant comments I have ever heard...
    cheers
    Anymore comments from the university of the internet.

  10. #55

    Re: Anyone else thinking about running 2 stroke oil in their diesel?

    That would be one of the most pertinacious statements I have heard in a long time.


    .

    Dictionary or internet..its your choice.
    Internet will be faster.

    cheers
    Its the details, those little details, that make the difference.

  11. #56

    Re: Anyone else thinking about running 2 stroke oil in their diesel?

    Quote Originally Posted by finga View Post
    Which companies advertise "Now with greater lubricity!!!!"??
    I know the answer to that one finga..The answer is: Naughty But Nice.

    See..I read their ad..see what reading does for ya.

  12. #57

    Re: Anyone else thinking about running 2 stroke oil in their diesel?

    Quote Originally Posted by PinHead View Post
    I know the answer to that one finga..The answer is: Naughty But Nice.

    See..I read their ad..see what reading does for ya.
    Did ya buy it and try it to see if it isin fact "Now with greater lubricity!!!!"?????

    I reckon if the fuel lines were made to exacting critical lengths it would save a lot of wear so as you wouldn't need any 2 stroke oil in the fuel. It's all about the critical length you know.
    I intend on living for-ever....so far so good


  13. #58

    Re: Anyone else thinking about running 2 stroke oil in their diesel?

    Don't be so hard on yourself OB.
    I actually find you quite amusing, not pertinacious or smart arse as you describe yourself.

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