so if 2% Bio is the best for lubricity as an additive then how good is 100% Bio
go the Bio
cheers Murf
so if 2% Bio is the best for lubricity as an additive then how good is 100% Bio
go the Bio
cheers Murf
Yeah that soy stuff must be more slippery than a butcher's pr!ck.
I'll have to stick with the 2-stroke in the common rail motor though for the time being.
You'll have to buy a couple of GQ bodies to mothball if you want to see how long the motor lasts.....
haha am on my second body nowOriginally Posted by GBC
Yeah that soy stuff must be more slippery than a butcher's pr!ck
I'll have to stick with the 2-stroke in the common rail motor though for the time being.
You'll have to buy a couple of GQ bodies to mothball if you want to see how long the motor lasts.....black was not my colour
there is a bloke on the Bio forum asking about running Bio (BD100) in a D4D Hilux, i would not do it as they are so finicky on the high pressure injectors and cost of injector replacement is more than my whole GQ Patrol, plenty of people do do it though
cheers Murf
GBC, are you still adding 2 stroke to your colorado? How is it going, any problems?
Cheers Mal.
Oil at low temp will not burn fully and will result in smoke. As soon as combustion temps get higher the newer low ash , smokeless oils will burn clean as different additives start to work in the oil. Additives are temp dependant.
At start up the motor is not warm ther emay be some small blowpast until piston rings expand properly?
At lower revs the volume of exhaust gas is small so hangs closer to teh mower itseld and is more noticeable. As a mat who drives a dirty old patrol says - that soot never affects him in his cabin but not so to the poor traffic behind him and it gets lesser with speed!!!
I'm guessing after a day and a cold start you would get the same result or not?
Yes, 75000 kms all good - I'm a confirmed 'user' now.
Done a test in Mazda Bravo towing van
Result.
Absolutely no improveent in fuel consumption over around 5K.... ACCURATE records.
"Could" have imagined it was quieter.doubt it tho
Jim
This is my personal belief also at typical ratios, how much was yours? lubricity is the biggest advantage from the lift pump through to the injector pump to the injectors into the engine...no good idea if it keeps a cleaner house in the combustion chamber/ring lands/exhaust outlet though.
So in the end depending on ratio and given the outrageous/overt costs involved in modern injection systems, using it could be considered akin to paying just the interest on hire purchase V the cost of earlier outright replacement/rebuild of these parts but only if one plans to keep the car for long enough.
if one wants to make the biggest difference possible here switch the (in comparison) poorly lubricating TCW3 for modern air cooled/watercooled 2 stroke oil PWC/snow mobile/chainsaw/whippersnipper/dirtbike etc it's light years ahead of TCW3 in it's lubrication abilities.
i tried at 200.1
was only an extra cost.
jim
Wasting your money guys.
Some crackpot has come up with this fantasy.
Adding oil to an oil to seek a benifit in the runnining of your engine?
Maybe you should put in a Hyclone thingamajig as well to gain the full benifit.
If you want to spend moneyto make your diesel engine and pump last longer, then you should upgrade the fuel filter system and service it more regularly.
That would have to be one of the most ignorant comments I have ever heard...not only the basic premiss but also in the failure to consider the actual testing that has been done.
This matter has been extensively canvased and various completly independed people who have access to facilities have done actual testing.
Diesel fuel is no more an "oil" than petrol is and all petrolium products are a blend of various oil products.
cheers
Its the details, those little details, that make the difference.
OB,
If your post was aimed at me..THANKS>
I tried using it over a period of 6 months covering some 37000.In all types of conditions,
I keep ACCURATE records .
RESULTS showed ABsolutely no better fuel consumption.No more power an no difference in sound of motor(Quietness)
What more do you expect to find??As for inside the motor,the oil was just as dirty,and i suspect nothing has changed for the better.
i still say it is a waste of money with NO benefit,
jim
- How is diesel fuel made?
Crude oil that is pumped out of the ground is composed of thousands of different hydrocarbon compounds - compounds composed of carbon and hydrocarbon. The carbon atoms link together in chains of different lengths, shapes and sizes. Each individual chain length or molecular size has different properties including progressively higher boiling points, so they can be separated by boiling point or distillation.
Distillation is the first major process at an oil refinery. As the crude oil is heated, different hydrocarbon compounds are separated by their boiling temperatures. The lightest components such as ethane and propane come off the top of the distillation tower. The next components, called naphtha, are used for making gasoline.
The next heavier portion of crude oil coming from the distillation tower is used to make diesel fuel. Diesel fuel contains larger hydrocarbon molecules, with more carbon atoms than gasoline. Simple distillation does not produce enough gasoline and diesel fuel, so heavier fractions of crude oil are broken into smaller compounds by thermal or catalytic cracking, or hydrocracking, to produce higher volumes of gasoline and diesel fuel. To lower the level of sulphur in the fuel, some of these fractions may be hydrotreated - a refinery process that reacts a fraction of crude oil with hydrogen at high temperature and pressure, in the presence of a catalyst, to improve colour and odour, and reduce sulphur content. Various component streams are blended to meet the required diesel fuel specifications.- What is the difference between diesel fuel and gasoline?
Diesel fuel differs from gasoline in several ways. Diesel fuel is heavier and "oilier" than gasoline. It evaporates much more slowly because it is composed of larger hydrocarbon molecules, which have higher boiling points, typically 150 °C to 370 °C.- How is diesel fuel classified?
Diesel fuel is usually classified as
- Seasonal diesel fuel: Type B or Number 2 - the most commonly used diesel fuel.
- Light diesel fuels: Type A or Number 1, for special applications.
Recently, diesel fuel has also been classified by sulphur content: ultra low sulphur, low sulphur diesel and regular sulphur diesel.- What is ultra low sulphur diesel fuel?
Ultra low sulphur diesel fuel (ULSD) is fuel that contains less than 15 parts per million sulphur. It is usually used for both on-road and off-road applications. Since Oct. 1, 2010, all on-road and off-road diesel fuel in Canada, except for rail and marine applications, must be ULSD.- What is regular sulphur diesel fuel?
Regular sulphur diesel fuel (RSD) is fuel used for off-road applications such as rail and marine only. As of Oct. 1, 2010, regular sulphur diesel fuel must contain less than 500 parts per million (0.05 wt %) sulphur.- How can I tell if diesel fuel is ultra low sulphur or regular sulphur?
All on-highway and off-road diesel fuel sold in Canada is ultra low sulphur. All dyed or marked off-road diesel fuel, except for rail and marine applications, must be ultra low sulphur, ask your local supplier about the sulphur content of its off-road diesel fuel.- Does ultra low sulphur diesel fuel have adequate lubricity like regular sulphur diesel fuel?
Yes! All Petro-Canada diesel fuels have satisfactory lubricity as required by the National Standard of Canada.- Does Petro-Canada diesel fuel contain a lubricity additive?
All Petro-Canada diesel fuels have suitable lubricity - a diesel fuel property that lubricates moving parts in fuel pumps and fuel injectors to minimize wear and protect current fuel systems. Most of Petro-Canada's diesel fuels have good natural lubricity (even "ultra low sulphur" diesel fuels), especially during the spring, summer and early fall.
Lighter, low cloud point, winter diesel fuels contain a lubricity additive in keeping with the requirements of the National Standard of Canada for Automotive Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel Fuel. Petro-Canada recommends that customers avoid routinely adding additional lubricity additive to fuels as high dose rates of some lubricity additives have been found to cause problems such as sticking of plungers, metering valves or fuel injector racks.
Diesel "is" esentialy a very light oil. It is not recomended practice to add anything to diesel fuel.
Diesel engines will often be refered to as oil burners, this is essentialy correct.
Engineers who build engines put them through thousands of hours of rigorous testing trying to destroy them, to identify weak points.
Engines are designed to run on pump grade fuel, this fuel has to be manufactured to a standard by the oil company that is suited to the enviroment it will operate in.
ie; colder climate different grade fuel.
I still say if you want to spend your money, use good quality filters and oil and service it regularly. Install a water seperator to the fule system.
To add two stroke oil is a waste of time and money, and you could end up a lot worse for wear.
Haven't read it all but the front page is a start from a real lab test.
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=177728
My prevous post was aimed squarely at reelhard...his comments I will deal with later.
If you are using two stroke in diesel with the primary goal of improving power or fuel economy, you have missed the point.....if you are judjung the sucess by those improvement or by the quieting of you engine, you have also missed the point and obviouly not read too much on the matter.
The primary reason to add two stroke to your diesel is to improve the lubrisity of the fuel....regardless of the existing expectation of the fuel.
An improvement of the lubricity of the fuel WILL reduce wear regardless of any other matter.
this improvement in lubrisity has been proven by a number of independent and seperate groups and is documented.
the other improvements are known to vary from vehicle to vehicle and from fuel to fuel...if you get improvements in power or economy, best case they will be small, if you get a quieting of you engine thats great...but all these will be a bonus, that you can not rely on.
cheers
Its the details, those little details, that make the difference.
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