Over width boats - New permits

[walruss]

Mister,

All vehicle bound by manufacturers specs. Yep thats right

Yes it has a GCM. The combination being the vehicle and the trailer. Add it together and you get a Max of 7.1 tonne. That is the max allowable.

Please show me the relevant legislation the applies to non commercial vehicles that applies to permit issue.

You have stated that private vehicles can tow with permits. Can you please advise where these permits are available and what they cover, since previous entries on this thread say otherwise.

Look forward to your answer.

Russ

[Mister]

Mate the GCM of a Toyota landcruiser is 6800kg.

You have obviously never towed an over width vehicle in your life in a private situation AND you are trying to tell me private vehicles can not tow over width, get a life.

[Mister]

The problem here is Russ that many simply do not know what they are talking about.

[oldboot]

NO... according to my understanding of current polocy you should not be issued with a permit to tow a an overdimension load with a pasenger vehicle....certianly not one over 3 meters wide.

As for the load rating of boat ramps............If larger boats were permitted to be towed thy will most likley to be heavier and the load restriction on ramps may become an issue.

manufacturers specifications have nothing to do with over dimension loads.

there are some of these stationtruckwaggons that have 4.5 tonne towing capacities and are bigger and heavier than an F350.....they are importing and converting them specificaly for towing fifth wheel caravans.

Anyway it will all be interesting to see.

cheers

[Mister]

Arh but old boot we are not alking about 3 metres are we? We are talking about 2.9 metres.

Again this is NOT a weight discussion but an over width discussion, there is no change to towing weights at all.

Over 4.5 tonne then you are then talking about a TRUCK complete with all the goodies including real proper air brakes and all.

[oldboot]

Mate you need to pull your head in.
You have sucessfully pissed people off in at least 3 threads in the last couple of days with your agressive attitude.

If you have no information to contribute but out.

the difference between 2.9 and 3 meters is completly acedemic......the limit now is 2.5 mteres and not a mm more.

nobody is talking over 4.5 tonne....and legaly in QLD you can tow up to 4.5 tonnes with up to 4.5 tonne vehicle...making a total of 9 tonnes..........on a car licence.... if you can find a vehicle that will do it. without cheching figures, I believe the chevy silverado will.

It's matter not if a person has or has not towed an oversize load to have an opinion that should be respected.

towing an oversized item sooner or later will become a weight issue or havn't you been following the discussion.

the problem here mister is that you are probaly not aware of the series of threads on this subject that have been running on this forum for months.... and you come in here with little or no constructive information telling people they do not know what they are talking about.

When you have dragged thru the legeslation and the published guidelines ( as some of us have) and made yourself familiar with the ongoing issues.....and changed your attitude... feel free to make a usefull comment.......otherwise... keep your comments to your self.

cheers

[Lovey80]

Ok guys I don't want to get involved in the argument but all this talk of weight has me confused. I know Ratcatcher is very interested in the outcome of this so lets keep the personal opinions out and stick to the facts. So I'll ask a simple question so I have this right.

Under the proposed policy change one will now be able to tow a BOAT (didnt see any talk of caravans or anything else) up to 2.9m in Width, PROVIDED the boat can legally be towed under the manufacturers weight specifications?

Have I got that right?

Under current rules as I understand them, I could build a 2.51m wide Baulsa wood boat that weighs 100kg and sits on a 100kg trailer and I couldn't legally tow it with a F150.

So have I got it right, that basically there has been so much demand for US boats that are often 2.59-2.69m in beam that they are making an exception for one to tow thier boat to the water from home and back under a permit?

THIS MAKES A TONNE OF SENSE!!!! Were talking boats here aren't we people? Trailering a boat from home to water and water to home. Not Grey nomads throwing thier houses under a triaxle and terrorising the highways.

Have I totally misread something?

Cheers

Chris

[FNQCairns]

Yeah i think that's it Chris, the saving grace for the total weight towed was the boats width, with extra width comes substantial extra weight. The old rule worked to keep the numb nuts off the road in say their V8 cruiser towing boats with weights approaching legally approved capacity at 100km/h...now that might become relatively common place.

The 2.5 maximum width laws keept a cap on this because lots of great boats where kept out of the choosing and therefore off the road. The cat fans are going to LUV it!

cheers fnq

[Lovey80]

Thanks FNQ thats what I thought. All this other crap in the thread was mostly irrelevant. This should see some very nice boats hitting our QLD coastline in the near future. The Glacier bay range being one of them and a heap of nice monos also.

Cheers

Chris

[oldboot]

Most of what you say is correct....
and it is reasonable for people to tow a large (read over dimension) boat a short distance to a suitable ramp, rather than have to keep it on a mouring or hard stand.

Especilay in some of the "quiet fishing towns" like 1770 and Turkey Beach ( hell who cares at turkey).

But if this is taken to the silly end of expectations we could have loonies, dragging big heavy monster boats all over the place because they can.

If it is allowed you can bet next years bait and beer money that plenty will try to tow their big fancy boats up the highway to the Northern parts of QLD, from brisbane and other places, just to go fishing.

Then expecting to put it down some lightly constructed poorly maintained ramp in some creek.

I tell you what....it would definitely be some exitement to come around one of those bends on those narrow coastal "B" roads and come across a 9 tonne 2.9 meter wide thing comming the other way across that barely two lane causeway......of course it will be in the middle.

cheers

[cormorant]

Is there a actual link to the original press release?

An average bloke with 2.5 m 25 footer is pretty dangerous

An average bloke with 3.00m is deadly , inconvenient and dangerous regardless of what distance to tow of the shitty roads we have. I have done it with tractors and farm machinery between properties and even if your own judgement is Ok other drivers judgement is crap. Your load and possibly the wheelbase will have to be over the middle line or in the dirt on the shoulder - insurance company heaven for an excuse in a accident.

Might be OK for a specific permit on a specific road route at specific times like 1770 ( home to ramp) to be sorted by the local copper ( old seargent with some common sense who knows his area and the applicant) but it wouldn't be sensible in bigger city. Geeze he does that now with the tractor and trailers with no brakes for the locals- god only knows what happens if there was a accident or a visiting copper. Bigger city coppers will just say no as it is easier.

The next question on all of this is which insurance company is going to cover you at what cost. If you think you are going to do this on a standard policy it will take the insurance companies about 10 minutes to work out they need a higher premium. Moving overwidth machinery the guys used to have to get individual trip policies a few years back and they were not cheap.

2.6 or 2.7 is a lot more reasonable but should include some knowledge test or something to make people aware of the extra dangers.

Can't have one rule for local boaters and another one for motorhomes etc.

Sort of a be careful what we wish for.

[oldboot]

I recon in places like Turkey and 1770...this will not be an issue for the locals.

At turkey most people launch off the sand next to the fancy government ramp and the tow vehickle of choice is an unregistered tractor.....last time a copper was at turkey he was probably fishing.

We blew thru 1770 earlier this year.....in the boat ramp car park was this huge trailer with 4 axles so it would have been over 3 tonnes GVM using cable brakes and towed by a 4wd ute (landy, 75 series cant remember).. and wide with it.
That rig would last 5 minutes down here....hell you would be flat out getting it arround the corners to get at the ramp at wello.
But like a lot of the boats there it probably get towed less than 2Km to the ramp...and most of that is flat.
If a narky copper turned up at the ramp one afternoon in good weather... he'd put half the town off the road.

cheers

[BM]

In Victoria you are required to carry a copy of "Oversize Load Carrying Vehicles" Information Bulletin at all times when towing overwidth loads. This document applies to all vehicles (private and commercial) up to 49.5ton.

It allows travel around Victorian roads, without a permit and up to a maximum vehicle width of 3.5m

The document can be found on the Vicroads website or by contacted the Road Safety section of Vicroads on 131171.

cheers

[Mr__Bean]

With regard to a driver of a passenger vehicle being able to tow an over width trailer/load, then I don't think it unreasonable to expct that the driver should hold at least a Medium Rigid truck licence.

These are not hard to obtain and the training ensures that the driver is considerate of the peculiarities of driving long and wide loads.

- Darren

[PinHead]

I don't think I would wanted to have towed my previous boat..3m beam and 4.5t dry weight.

sure would be a bugger to get on and off the trailer