Another rash statement Rash? Coastguard Rescue and Water Police run cats in SA, why did you say they don't? Quite "ir rash ional" statement....Originally Posted by sea-rash
Another rash statement Rash? Coastguard Rescue and Water Police run cats in SA, why did you say they don't? Quite "ir rash ional" statement....
Jesus, started off a bit slow, but sure did heat up over the weekend! time for a group hug guys. But I do love a good old fashioned forum sh!t fight, anyone got a Cat with E-tecs?
Have you got a big supply of popcorn Noel ?
IF IT CAN'T EAT A WHOLE PILLY I DON'T WANT IT
The down side of most cats
two motors
weight
cost
not fast in general
dont like head on sea ( must be a problem when going 50-100km straight into the sea)
tunnel slap
upside
smooth ride
Does this list sound right?
yes, except most of what you just said was sh!t
Noelm
thanks for enlightening me with your constructive advice. please answer the questions, what are the pros and cons?
I was trying to help and learn myself.
As a boat owner that has looked at buying a cat many times the reasons that stop me every time are.
tow weight vs length
cost (1900 kevlar $95k)
cost (2 motors vs 1)
Cost (2 services vs 1)
Speed (cruise speed around 20kns in what I have tested)
head on sea (where I fish 5o-100km out mostly straight into it) they dont ride the best so the dealer told me.
Tunnel slap ( when trolling)
I still think they have a smooth ride.... but please let me know the error of my ways
yep, that's your version of it, to most, 2 motors are a bonus, cruise speed is entirely HP related, I doubt any well powered cat will cruise slower than a mono EVER, Kcats are too expensive end of story, tunnel slap? well maybe if you are trolling directly into the sea all the time, and your dealer that told you they are no good into the sea? he also needs a bit of education, and seeing as you only ever head into the sea where you live, maybe that is valid for you, let me guess, he sells monos? tow weight is an issue whenever big boats are spoken about.
Noelm
correct that is my version, as I wrote it..
please note where I asked for validation " does this sound right" I am no cat expert. I was repeating what I have been told.
It does however seem that cat owners can see no wrong in them.(as too some mono owners)
2 motors are a bonus just not the price.
The cruise speed thing is good to know.
not that I "only ever" but "mostly" head into the sea. Please dont miss quote me.
Yes he does sell mono's but his core is kevlar cats.
I agree with the tow weight but vs length a lot more weight(more boat so has to be). maybe to my earlypost that cats and monos compare better on weight than lenght??? I dont know just a thought.
Noelm I do thank you for your comments as I enjoy learning more about cats because as I said I have thought about buying one many times. I just wish you could see when people are trying to help/learn and advise them rather than talk down to them.
thanks again
lots of people are very one eyed about their boat/motor/car whatever, but certainly not me, if I have something that is crap I will admit it no dramas at all.
yes al does with the sea tech cat....what a combo best motor and the best made cat(built in sth east qld)
This is how I see cats :
Softer ride at choppy sea compared to the same length mono hulls . Keep in mind same length cat is a lot bigger boat than same length mono and much heavier.
Much more stable at rest than any mono of same size , even a much bigger heavier mono actualy.
As for safer at sea again I think so, as long as the mono is the same length, not the same weight, same weight mono will be longer in this case I think they are on par.
Cats need bigger HP than same length monos to do the same speed, actualy they need bigger hp than same weight mono, you are dragging 2 hulls .
They sit much higher on trailers than mono because the lowest part of the boat sits on the top of the wheels. A mono can sit very low ( especialy on bent axle trailers ) so easier to tow and launch/retrieve. and easier to tow because of the lower centre of gravity.
Tunnel slap yes but its not a great issue ( not with me anyway).
2 engines , thats a plus on safety and minus on cost but who said monos have to have one engine, I'm a fan of having 2 in any boat.
Krazyfisher,
You should go for a ride on both a mono and a cat but remember the mono has to be longer than the cat to be the same size boat ( I hope this makes sense) to make simpler about the same weight will do . try them both on the seas you intend to use them and at rest and don't forget to TOW the cat too.
This is from a current mono owner, ex owner of many boats up to 25' and ex cat owner .
I don't hate cats or monos, I don't love cats or monos but I make my choice based on the above .
Would I buy another cat ...well not if I had to tow it around ( I wouldn't buy a cat under 5.5-6 mt), if I was to buy a boat to leave on the water who knows maybe..
I think that you need to compare mono V cat at the same dollars.
How does $50K of cat compare to $50K of mono?
I have a Webster 4.3m alloy cat which is way better than any 4.3m alloy mono but it also costs about 20% more.
Let's compare apples with apples.
This is how i see it and not only because I am a cat owner.
two motors = safety
weight = better ride, stability
cost=works out the same if you have an equivalent monohull
not fast in general=will hold cruise speeds muh better than a mono( aim and fire)
dont like head on sea=not many boats do and is still feel cats dont suffer badly
tunnel slap=annoying at first for some until it comes second nature
Upside = smooth ride
huge deck for size
virtually unsinkable
amazing stability
cab space is great due to squareness (great for sleeping)
Enough said????
Downside = envious monohull owners (especially QUINTREX)
Yeah id have to agree that the older sharky's would ride better than the new ones. Ive been lead to believe that the hull design is the same, same mould just with a wavebreaker added. The problem is that they are alot lighter these days and this results in a poorer less stable ride.
Those new noosacats definatly look like their like a cork bobbing around at rest compared to the older ones. Ive fished out of older 23 sharkcats and the stability is second to none.
Obviously heavier means bigger HP and bigger running costs and this is something that has to be weighed up.
Great noosacat video it shows how far a cat can lean before it will tip on there thats for sure.
Deano...
CatWeb I have absolutely no doubt about what you say about being able to outdo most mono's up to 6m. I was heading out the Georges river into botany a few years ago with a 20kt breeze kicking up that nasty chop you get down there (and in moreton too). A 5.2m Twinfisher cuddy was coming back in flying across the top near WOT and there was hardly even any bow up/down motion. About 5 mins later we passed a round about 6.5m flash looking platey off the plane bashing into it and looking rather rough. I decided right then and there that a Webster would be my next boat. Had my 4.3 CC near two years and love it. Had similar experiences with boats up to 5-5.5m monos.
Looking at the SeaTrek, it's tow weight is fantastic for its size. I'm 99% sure it will get the nod for my offshore boat in the near future. Value for money is there in spades also.
Cheers
Chris
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