ETEC Failures - anyone hearing of any?

[oldboot]

I'd be suprised if there is a new car around that didn't have some sort of recall on it for something. .

That is nothing more than a throw away line, cars with recalls against them would certainly be in the minority.

So put this down as another documented ETEC failure.

so so far we have

oil seal failures
case cracking
many injector failures
wiring harness failures
a distinct intolerance to impurities in fuel
overheating
many power heads replaced

and those are the ones I have heard off... they cant all be BS

sounds line simple poor engineering or poor quality parts.


HMMM

cheers

[troy]

How long before 2 strokes are banned and what if you just purchased one or ordered one.
Troy

[oldboot]

As far as any "ban" on two strokes, lots of people have been banging the drum on this for a long time.

But to my knoweledge there is no firm proposal on a ban on sale of two stroke motors anywhere in the world at this stage.

It would be almost impossible and possibly unconstitutional to impose a ban on existing two stroke motors.

However
Some freshwater impoundments have restrictions or bans on old technology two stroke motors now.

There are those that argue given the use of TCW3 biodegradable two stroke oil, such bans or restrictions except on the smallest impoundments are ill advised.


cheers

[stevej]

apart from nasa and medical equipment no company has a expected 0% failure rate and you pay big dollars for that kind of reliability

whats acceptable 2-3% over the products useful life?

don't see anywhere in anyones literature that they guarantee them not to break down just they will fix it for a set period of time

impossible to get but its likley all manufacturers have a similar failure rate

[oldboot]

Na mate all manufacturers do not have the same failure rates.

I don't think you will find anywhere near the same failure rates in yamaha, or suzuki.

If you drive a Falcon you can be guaranteed that the door handles will break sooner or later.......how come that does not happen on other brands.......design.

cheers

[stevej]

Na mate all manufacturers do not have the same failure rates.

I don't think you will find anywhere near the same failure rates in yamaha, or suzuki.

If you drive a Falcon you can be guaranteed that the door handles will break sooner or later.......how come that does not happen on other brands.......design.

cheers

how do you prove your argument? its all i think from everyone
yamaha suzuki direct injections? got to compare apples with apples

true failures on all brands are probably rare, poor fit up fuel issues and impacts arnt really manufacture faults are they?

need a insider at seatow to gives us some stats


9 company cars in the company all falcons since ive been there au ba then current models they get run to 200,00 then sold
no ones ever broken a handle

wife has a au wagon 2002 no broken handles there too

[Blackened]

G'day

Only the XD XE XF falcons busted handles!

Dave

[Jabba_]

Yep, my old XF went through about ten door handles for the 4 years I owned it.... Since I have had AU' and a BA... Good cars, no broken door handles...

Speaking off direct injection... Doug Burt went out on a brand new 40ft Cabo for the GC Light Tacked Comp... The DI systen shat itself on the second day.. It was a tow home job...
Same for these new Holdens with DI... Few off those have clapped out also, as for the new Common rail turbo desiel motors in Nissan and Toyo and Mits... DI Injectors are failing more often then the standard EFI and standard desiel injectors....

[Te Whiti]

Cormorant,

For what it's worth, my brother has had a 75 etec for 18 months and the computer in the engine has completely fried twice..... won't start, needs a tow in each time....has lost complete faith in it which i can understand, especially considering he often fishes offshore, at night and at times alone.

I have had a 75 etec myself for 3 years, admittedly it gets much less use than my brother's but i have had no problems yet (touch wood)

My father also had a 75 etec for a few years when the technology was new and he loved his.

I dont know if my brother just got a dodgy one or has just been plain unlucky but he doesn't really care to take it back from BRP....except for the fact that he still needs an engine for his boat!

Mark

[cormorant]

That sucks , should be a 3 times lemon law and computers should last the life of the motor , same for injectors.

As a side issue I still can't believe the number of people that go offshore without a 2nd motor , even an auxilary or travel in pairs or more so they don't have to rely on other boats or VMR to get them out of teh crapper.. Doesn't matter what brand but everyone thinks newe rmotors will never break down - they do. The 5 miles you make back to shore before makes a big difference if things turn to crap.

Hope he never has another issue.

Wierd 2 should go and you would hope the dealer fully checked the battery and switches on the boat although on a modern motor they should all have some sort of fuse that blows first. They don't seem to . That means the fault either has to be in the computer ecu itself or on the motors voltage reg etc. Wonder if the dealer bothered checking why it crapped itself. Most dealers just wait for a error message - very slack and the reason some things happen more than once

[Jabba_]

Your on the money there Comorant, if the battery is not strong enough (you need a minium off 670cca), or the wiring is not tight on the battery, that can cause a EMM to die...

The only reason you get mulitable failures off the same part is because there is something not right about your motor causing a recurring fault.. That problem has to be found and corrected, or you will continue to suffer from the same failure..

Low voltage current... Low voltage batteries can cause problems with the EMM, as I said before, the battery must have a minium off 670cca....

Loose wiring connections... Will kill a EMM.. If you have wing nut connect the engine wire to your battery, get rid off then ASAP, and use a Nylock nut and tighten firmly..

Over heat... The EMM is water cooled, if there is a blockage in one off the lines feeding the EMM it can cause it to over heat and fail.. Altho a alarm should sound and motor drop into save mode before any damage is caused to the EMM..

[Schuey]

Thanks for the reply Jabba. I am the bloke Te WHiti is referring too. I have now fried the EMM twice. The first time it happened the motor had about 30 hours on the clock and the dealer replaced it . However when i stressed for an explanation I was told that BRP Sydney do not test the coimputer when it comes back but send it straight away to the states, and hence no explanation. It has now happened again, just on Wednesday, lucky i was only fishing local. At first my battery was pretty flat, so i swapped it with my navarra battery and started no problem. Got on the plane and sitting at 5500 and then it blew. I blew the 10 amp fuse and the EMM. Now.... the delaer seems to be ok to fix it and even with no charge I am still really worried about my setup. The same delaer fitted the enging and wiring 18 motnhs ago but are trying to tell me that I have a "short" somewhere in th boat with possibly my accessories. But I would have thought that if i blow the 10 amp fuse, this would protect the EMM ? They are trying to tell me that the EMM gets an electrical current first BEFORE tghe 10 amp fuse on the motor which sounds arse about. When i said well what does the ETEC 10 amp fuse protect, they told me it protects the boats accessories. Again it doesnt sound right since the accessories on the boat and the wiring on the motor should be independent.

However, you did mention the lock nut wiring, and that was how my motor was wired. So maybe that was it ? Could the Navara battery have been the cause. Something's not right because this has happened twice and in different scenarios. Last time fuse did not blow, and had the normal seamaster gold battery.

Thanks for any ideas.

[Steeler]

Buddy of mine who purchased his new rig complete with etec from a well known dealership out in the Hills district took it out for the very first time up on the Hawksebury River north of Sydney and it shite its EMM about 3klm's from the ramp.Dealer was great when he took the boat back but what was a concern is they said it is not uncommon on these things.

Steve

[Jabba_]

Thanks for the reply Jabba. I am the bloke Te WHiti is referring too. I have now fried the EMM twice. The first time it happened the motor had about 30 hours on the clock and the dealer replaced it . However when i stressed for an explanation I was told that BRP Sydney do not test the computer when it comes back but send it straight away to the states, and hence no explanation. It has now happened again, just on Wednesday, lucky i was only fishing local. At first my battery was pretty flat, so i swapped it with my navara battery and started no problem. Got on the plane and sitting at 5500 and then it blew. I blew the 10 amp fuse and the EMM. Now.... the dealer seems to be ok to fix it and even with no charge I am still really worried about my setup. The same dealer fitted the engine and wiring 18 months ago but are trying to tell me that I have a "short" somewhere in Th boat with possibly my accessories. But I would have thought that if i blow the 10 amp fuse, this would protect the EMM ? They are trying to tell me that the EMM gets an electrical current first BEFORE the 10 amp fuse on the motor which sounds arse about. When i said well what does the ETEC 10 amp fuse protect, they told me it protects the boats accessories. Again it doesn't sound right since the accessories on the boat and the wiring on the motor should be independent.

However, you did mention the lock nut wiring, and that was how my motor was wired. So maybe that was it ? Could the Navara battery have been the cause. Something's not right because this has happened twice and in different scenarios. Last time fuse did not blow, and had the normal seamaster gold battery.

Thanks for any ideas.

BRP don't like the use off wing nut because they usually only done up finger tight and have a tendency to vibrate loose... A loose connection on the battery can cause spikes in the voltage, and upset the EMM..Which is just like any computer, home and car....

In regards to you using your navara battery, I am not 100% clear what problems low CCA battery can do to your EMM,, but I have been told that you should never use a battery smaller then a 670cca... Sorry, I have not asked what problem it causes... But needless to say if BRP tells you not to use a battery smaller then 670cca, then there must be a good reason...

To answer your question if this smaller battery and wing nuts on battery caused you EMM to quit on you, I would say it's a high probability.....

When you get your boat back, to insure its not the rigging that is causing your EMM to quit, ensure your battery has a minium off 670cca,, The bigger the better....
NO WING NUTS, use nylock nuts only, and make sure there tight, and protect your terminals from a posible short and spray them with a protective coating, so they don't rust... I use Evinrude corrosion gaurd....


If you need anymore info, you should get onto the E-tec owners forum... Take the advice from either Evinrude, Seahorse or Huey as they are all certified E-tec mechaincs and are very switched on with these motors....
http://www.etecownersgroup.com/

[outsiderskip]

i did 3 injector on y o6/07 150 etec
only had 600 hrs on itand was not as fuel efficient as they make out to be
got rid of it and bought a 200 honda
show have gone for that in first place

pete