Garrett recieves Qld Government report on Traveston dam

[lampuki]

Timiboy.....hahaha wouldnt that be funny...

A couple of things:

Didnt someone sing a song called Maralinga once?

After all the nuclear power bashing to come out of labor....I remember a question time where labor went to town on Johnny for rasing the debate on nuclear power.

He must be laughing his arse off! or crying?

[bugman]

Just a sidenote,

For those going on about Wolfdene at Beaudesert. My wife's family had their cattle property resumed there back in 1994. That's 15 years the Govt has been sitting on that prime farming land.
They've all moved away and still not a drop of water.
Brett

[Lucky_Phill]

Interesting Brett, maybe they can still build it.


I purchased 2 acres of land on the presumption the dam there would be built. It was on the road that lead into the dam and I would have been 1 kilometer from the water.

I cursed the ferets that knocked it on the head. I do however, understand that sometimes infrastructure that has to be built will displace some people and that is the down side of population growth.

From memory, there were about 200 families affected by the proposal.

I hope the rellies got a fair compensation for their land, Brett.

say g'day to the cheese and kisses and the lil'bug for me....


Phill

[PinHead]

the worst thing that has happened to this State in many many years was Baldie's decision. That dam should have been built.
So now what Mr Garrett? Any suggestions?
What will my kids and grandkids do for clean water in the future? Pay a fortune for desal water 'cos you bent over for green preferences.
I will be writing to me local member voicing my concerns that if the Mary River is so bloody precious then I would want assurances that no water is removed from it for irrigation..that the entire river is fenced off and no cattle or humans can get near the bloody thing. That decision has peed me off to the nth degree.
Greenies will destroy this nation in no time flat. The general populace has been dumbed down to a point where they believe any crap thrown at them..I have some stupid frog living in a pond in my front yard..created some noise disputes with a neighbour..some knob the NPWS came out and told me that if i drained the pond knowing the frog was in there I could be liable to a 20k fine..for one bloddy frog..i told him what I thought and it was not nice. No one wants to see flora and fauna wantonly destroyed however there has to be a balance and on the top of that balance is humans...the necessities of life is paramount.

NOW..Bligh brings in a sustainability BS thing when you want to sell your house...you have to work out the greenhosue gas emissions for the house..no mention of a deduct for any trees on the property..probably written by her hubby.

Congratualtions Qld..those 2 decisions this week will go down in history as the week that destroyed Qld.

[hoodunnit]

T///he future is desal and recycled water,not destroying peoples lives with the resumuption of land ..saw it as a kid with the north pine dam..not nice!!!! i Think I just became a Peter Garrett fan. BTW who is this Anna Bligh you all speak of ?????

[PinHead]

T///he future is desal and recycled water,not destroying peoples lives with the resumuption of land ..saw it as a kid with the north pine dam..not nice!!!! i Think I just became a Peter Garrett fan. BTW who is this Anna Bligh you all speak of ?????

LOL..just another flunkie of Bill Ludwig and his union cronies.

Surely property will be resumed for desal plants and any other infrastructure

[Lovey80]

Whatever Pinhead, stop scare mongering and get over it. There are pleanty of alternatives but your too pigheaded to seriously consider them. When you have a water tank large enough to sustain your basics needs and that along with Wivenhoe is empty then come back and continue crying. We both know that neither of those is going to happen. You do nothing to be part of the solution and you'll continue to winge that you are hard done by.

Chris

[hoodunnit]

Not as much PRIME farming property as a dam.I know of a few families that would have welcomed a few pipes to through than to have generations of hard work-memories-futures go underwater because the average person wants springwater coming out of their taps.How many rotting cow carcesses ,dead fish, fertiliser etc do you flush down your dunny?It all gets treated, try raising cattle or growing fruit on a mudflat...LOL!!!!

[Apollo]

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I will be writing to me local member voicing my concerns that if the Mary River is so bloody precious then I would want assurances that no water is removed from it for irrigation..that the entire river is fenced off and no cattle or humans can get near the bloody thing.

Pinhead

The current irrigation scheme that operates for most of the Mary river is sourced from water releases from Borumba dam, which was purpose built primarily for that reason. In reality, the irrigation has no net affect on the water flows in the Mary. When Borumba gets low, then the irrigators have their irrigation rights reduced or stopped to match available water to be released from Borumba.

Secondly, over the last decade or so, there has been significant improvements done by property holders that front the river. Whilst there are a few that could still do a lot more, most that I have seen have made significant gains in environmentally concious actions. These include fence it off, setting up off river watering points, weed control and replanting of riparian zones, erosion control, run off containment, changes to farming practices.

Your comments are obviously not based on any local or real knowledge, just a bias opinion.

Before it is suggested, I don't have property in the Mary Valley, but have a fair bit to do with it and its people for work.

Re Wolfdene, my understanding is that the government still owns all the land it bought up, but I stand to be corrected.

Steve

[whatscracken]

Just Pinhead being Pinhead.

[PinHead]

Just Pinhead being Pinhead.

yep..voicing my opinion...not scared to be heard.

Have a read of Terry Sweetmans column on the news sites..quite a good article.

But remember..I am pigheaded cos i have my say and yet others that are/were against the dam are not pigheaded..LOL.

The solution was there ..and they decided against it.

[Lovey80]

A solution was there, not nessessarily THE solution.............

Cheers

Chris

[PinHead]

Whatever Pinhead, stop scare mongering and get over it. There are pleanty of alternatives but your too pigheaded to seriously consider them. When you have a water tank large enough to sustain your basics needs and that along with Wivenhoe is empty then come back and continue crying. We both know that neither of those is going to happen. You do nothing to be part of the solution and you'll continue to winge that you are hard done by.

Chris

Chris..let's be serious about this whole water tank thing. Govt and Council gave out money for water tanks..and what use are the tanks? To water gardens and wash cars?? Neither is necessary.
IF they are serious about water conservation then before any grants were given the tank should have been made to be plumbed into the toilets and laundry. That is water conservation to a certain extent. NEXT..compulsory use of grey water where it can be used..the BCC has a map showing suitability etc for most areas ..mine is in an unsuitable area..I contacted the council..reason..small area and on a slope as they don't want the problem of water flowing into the neighbour's property...plus shale and clay sub soil.

BUT ..something could be done.

So let's not think that simply installing a tank to water a garden is saving water..it isn't..it is just wasting water that is not taken from a dam.

The next question is getting approval to alter the plumbing..have to submit for approval...before getting anything done.

The councils should be trying to make the entire process a bit easier.

So, as you can see I have investigated with the aim of CONSERVING AND RECYCLING WATER..not hosing the stuff onto a garden which I don't do as there are only natives in the yard.

Installing a tank may bring on the warm and fuzzies but without the proper plumbing and recycling then it has as much to do with saving water as using it from a dam.

If that is pigheaded then fine..guilty as charged..but I think I like to look at things a bit more than just plonking a plastic thing in the yard and think i am saving anything.

[Scott nthQld]

I'm with Pinhead on this one. SEQ has a water shortage, no question in anyones mind. Desal is crippling in expense, plus the added bonus of tonnes and tonnes of undiluted salt being dumped back into the ocean. You all think the MB zoning was bad, wait until you see what a massive increase in salinity will do to the fishery, let alone the mangroves and other sealife like turltes, dugongs, sea birds etc.

The only viable solution is more dams, if that mean disrupting a few for the well being of the majority then so be it, as long as those that have their land resumed gets fair compensation, I see no issue.

Some have mentioned a pipeline from NQ, and the NQ water grid all be linked up at some point. For a start, it will be massivley expensive, and rather than fixing a problem, spreads the problem, what happens when eventually the entire state will be relying on NQ dams because populations has expanded so much and more and more water is 'needed' in the SE? NQ will be left to dry, and the water infrastructure we have will be no good to us, that will mean the same thing up here as what needs to happen down there, people will have their land reclaimed but it will be fine then, because the people of the SE will not get interupted.

Rather than spreading the problem, it needs to stay contained, much like a disease, build the infrastructure in the SE where its needed and don't disrupt the rest of the state for the minority (yes believe it or not SEQ IS the minority, there are another 3 million living elsewhere in the state)

[Apollo]

IF they are serious about water conservation then before any grants were given the tank should have been made to be plumbed into the toilets and laundry. That is water conservation to a certain extent.

Pinhead

I think you will find that part way through the tank rebate scheme, they change the rebate from $1000 to $1500 but it had to be plumbed into the house as you so rightly suggested, so they did recognised that it had be a bit more useful than watering the garden.

Steve