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  1. #16

    Re: Trailer lights?

    OK, have just been through this exercise as the result of an auto sparky using a pocket knife to strip away the sleeve on the trailer wires, but that's a whole nuther story.

    The checks to do are;

    Test each light individually using a fully charged battery (my 14.4V cordless drill battery works a treat.

    Ensure that the white is attached to the -VE terminal and then just touch each of the others to check a result, brown for tail, red for brake, yellow/green indicators.

    The set of Trojan lights I have just fitted had a brown & brown/white which determined which way the number plate lights point

    Check if the clearance lights have been spliced in down near the taillights, the scotchlocks (I hate them!!) that were used on mine were left exposed to water and had turned the copper to copper sulphate or like.

    Check that the sheath is sealed all the way to the lights and not damaged, if it is split and there is damage to the insulation, same scenario as above.

    Check the plugs near the lights if you have them, do a continuity test on the loom if you have plugs.

    Test the lights by jumping wires from a battery to the plug pins, use the continuity test on the loom to determine which pin is earth.

    If this all fails, then get a new set of lights.

    Repco have the Trojan submersible led lights with 9 Metres of wire attached for $140 with a trailer lock thrown in at the moment.

    The lights are cast in resin, and sealed where the loom enters, and appear to be well designed.

    I ran separate feeds for the clearance lights loops back to the rar of the trailer to make for easy replacement in case of damage (provides a heap of slack wire to reuse, its only $2 a metre). My first loading incident was to have the chine run along the wire on the top of the mudguard and tear off the clearance light.

    Leave plenty of spare wire when running through the trailer sections, try putting a loop in each section, if you damage in the future you have enough to cut and join easily.

    For the joins on top of the mudguards for the clearance lights, I soldered the connections, used glue lined heatshrink and then a sheath of heatshrink over both joins filled with marine silastic before shrinking.

    The Trojan lights work on my Subaru which can be fussy about trailer light load on the indicator circuits.

    I will provide an update after the 25th, coz they will be getting dunked 10 days in a row ;^)

  2. #17

    Re: Trailer lights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Damned67 View Post
    Hi SeaHunt,
    Excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean 'trailers are not earthed'?
    The 'so-called' instructions for the plug give: 'white' wire, earth, pin #3.
    I'm certianly not an expert (otherwise my lights would be working), but I can't think of any auto/12V system that I've worked on that hasn't required an earth. Indeed, almost any electrical issues in my old Plymouth (in avatar) can usually be traced to a bad earth.

    In the test where I was bypassing the trailer plug, yes, I connected the white wire to the negative terminal of the battery.
    White wire to negative battery terminal is what I meant to do.
    Trailers are not earthed, by that I meant on a car the body or the chassis is normally used as earth , the motor and body of a car are connected directly to the negative terminal, so if you want to install a light down the back of your car you only have to run one wire, the positive and connect the other side of the light to the nearest pratical point on the body.
    On a trailer you do not do this , there is a wire for the earth, white in this case.
    It sound like you have done the right tests , if you connect the white to the negative and each of the others in turn to the positive and nothing happens the lights are probably stuffed.
    Which takes me back to the fact they should be under warranty.

  3. #18

    Re: Trailer lights?

    I got some of these http://www.ledautolamps.com/products.php?catid=9

    They get dunked every time, and by about 2 foot under.
    They run fine under water and I've had them about two years, not cheap but probably cheaper in the long run, I got sick of replacing bulbs and whole light assemblys.

  4. #19

    Re: Trailer lights?

    G'day,

    If you didn't have to splice in the number plate lamp wire and the tail lamp wire at the plug then with all the testing you have done you have answered your own question; Either the stop and tail LEDs are stuffed or the wires feeding them are broken. If its a wire break you can only find it by cutting the wires off the lamp units and testing them - which defeats the purpose of having sealed lights, so why bother.

    On that basis I don't think you have contributed to chaos and you should pursue the warranty claim.

    The Trojan LED submersible lamps are excellent. I have them on both my boat trailers after the original "sealed globe" types failed after 12-months on both trailers. Repco sell them and FMS trailers will also sell and fit Trojan parts.

    Hope this helps.

    Regards,

    White Pointer

  5. #20

    Re: Trailer lights?

    Yep, just retested (with my 18V rechargable drill battery, and I verified it was putting out over 17V... that was an excellent idea, thylacene!).
    Yellow or green give the turn signal.
    Right hand tail (brown) gives nothing but license plate lamp
    left-hand brown and both reds (stop circuits) give nothing.
    I could not be more convinced that the 'red' LEDs have failed.
    How and/or why both sets have miraculously failed is beyond me.
    Not sure if I'll bother with chasing the warranty or not. It's a Stessco trailer. Plus, the time to get it sorted out via warranty is just more time off the water. Plus, I'd hate to think I might end up with the same product again.
    I'll look at picking up a new set tomorrow after work, and installing tomorrow night.

    Thanks to all for the help!

  6. #21

    Re: Trailer lights?

    Next question.....
    What's everyone's thoughts on LEDs vs Submers-a-lite (or similar)?
    What's the advantage of LEDs on a trailer?

    After this weeks fun, I'm seriously considering going back to a good ol' bulb system... If nothing else, they're easier to trouble shoot.

  7. #22

    Re: Trailer lights?

    try swaping the wire to the battery. use the earth wire as the active , and the active wire to thet particular light as the earth.
    Led's are diodes, which are made to let electrickery to only run in one direction on most led's.
    they might have put the wires on wrong or something.
    we all make mistakes.
    mine was to tell the then girlfriend(now wife) to always tell me if something was on her mind. now i dont give a sh!t and she wont shut up

  8. #23

    Re: Trailer lights?

    ...my brother sells submersable LED lights with loom for off road camp trailers and boats etc....I could have had them at his cost price....I chose submersalites as per my post above. I think the LED's look cool when they flash 'an all, but in a trailer light im looking for a lot more and the strength of the submersalite is a major thing for me as is being able to change a bulb (not that i have had to) and they are way brighter than the older style cheapy bell ones (they have a built in no' plate light too). I think LED's big drawback is lack of serviceability - they often claim to last for so many thousands of hours but dont always.

    Cheers
    Boat: Seafarer Vagabond
    Live: Great South East....love Moreton Bay fishing

  9. #24

    Re: Trailer lights?

    All done...
    I went to buy some submers-a-lites, but once I bought more wiring loom, I was back in the price point of the LEDs, so I just went with the Trojan setup thats on sale at Repco, with the hitch lock thrown in.

    Went together nice and easy, and I even had a great time with my little 5 year old daughter helping me... I think I need to take her fishing to thank her

  10. #25

    Re: Trailer lights?

    G'day,

    Isn't it nice when things just work.

    White Pointer

  11. #26

    Re: Trailer lights?

    It really, really is

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