yamalube alternative?

[black runner]

The Caltex 2stroke is the same stuff (in Australia). Curiously Caltex also sells exactly the same Automotive engine oil that Yamaha sells for the sumps of their outboards. If I could be bothered I suspect I will find one of the manual transmission oils caltex sells will be their leg oil but yet to find a virgin oil analysis for each.

cheers fnq

Hi FNQ,

Clearly Yamaha don't make their own oil, but I am interested to know what the source of your info is? Yamaha, as do others like Quicksilver, let contracts periodically to various oil manufacturers to supply their branded lubricants.

The Yamaha site indicates that the oil has "additives" namely- "Rust, Corrosion, and Deposit Protection: The additive package is formulated to fight corrosion, varnish, and wear for longer engine life".

Is this merely marketing blurb or does the Caltex oil supplied to Yamaha have additional components for operation in a marine environment?

Cheers

[hivalley]

Hi Trueblue, Is your motor premix or injected mate? All I can say is don't use crap TCW3 oil if you want any reasonable life from your motor. One of the best all round oils to use as premix or injected is Evinrudes XD50, I run it in my Yam and virtually no smoke, keeps the motor carbon free because it has carbonX in it, my prop was black with soot but with XD50 it is as clean as a 4 stroke. Use a good quality oil and your motor will last longer and run sweet and be better on fuel. Use some quality oil mate your motor will love you.

[FNQCairns]

Thanks for that info as I need to buy some myself. I wa looking at caltex specs and it says it has 0.01 % ash and the Castrol show 0.004% ash. Can you say how the Castrol rates with Caltex? I used Valvoline on my last motor but I think the remainder will go in the Victa from now on from what you blokes have pointed out. Regard.

I cannot speak of the castrol tcw3 as i have never had the interest to chase up the science side of that product as mostly Castrol does an average job of any oil esp when price is included.

Both are ashless by those numbers and must be anyway to hold the tcw3 certification. If I can make an assumption the Caltex might hold the more robust additive package as the ash is slightly higher....you get nothing for nothing and we do not get much with tcw3 oils as all the good stuff is not allowed to be added...it's at the low performance end of the oil grade specs.

cheers fnq

[trueblue]

my motor still runs sweet on yamalube, just sooty and more smokey now after I ran a different oil through it a while ago. I am told that changing the oil injection pump will fix that.

My motor is a 50:1 oil injection model.

My main question is what oil to get if I run out of yamalube and need to be able to use something else.

I will try and contact the Caltex distributors tomorrow, and see if they will sell direct to the public to get a better price on their product.

cheers

Mick

[FNQCairns]

Hi FNQ,

Clearly Yamaha don't make their own oil, but I am interested to know what the source of your info is? Yamaha, as do others like Quicksilver, let contracts periodically to various oil manufacturers to supply their branded lubricants.

Hi BR,
Virgin oil analysis, knowledge and an interest + lots of pretty boring research. On the subject of mercury do they manufacturer here?? Their manufacture for the US products is pretty well documented and as in all oil they are done to the required spec, there is also many instances where oil products are simply re-branded with new colourisation being the last pour from the Vat so to speak. ATM cabellas has quality mercury oil for sale as their own house brand.

The Yamaha site indicates that the oil has "additives" namely- "Rust, Corrosion, and Deposit Protection: The additive package is formulated to fight corrosion, varnish, and wear for longer engine life".

Is this merely marketing blurb or does the Caltex oil supplied to Yamaha have additional components for operation in a marine environment?

In this instance entirely marketing but usualy yes it is largely marketing, some oils do do a better job than others even within the confines of the TCW3 spec and good ones get identified sooner or later.



Cheers

cheers fnq

[FNQCairns]

my motor still runs sweet on yamalube, just sooty and more smokey now after I ran a different oil through it a while ago. I am told that changing the oil injection pump will fix that.

My motor is a 50:1 oil injection model.

My main question is what oil to get if I run out of yamalube and need to be able to use something else.

I will try and contact the Caltex distributors tomorrow, and see if they will sell direct to the public to get a better price on their product.

cheers

Mick

Seriously Mercury is good as is Bombadier...the best without a doubt is the XD oils as they are not tcw3 certified so run hard hitting additive packs.

BTW running xd through it for a couple/few tanks will clean away just about any carbon issue you might have..if you have one.

cheers fnq

[Kleyny]

Seriously Mercury is good as is Bombadier...the best without a doubt is the XD oils as they are not tcw3 certified so run hard hitting additive packs.

BTW running xd through it for a couple/few tanks will clean away just about any carbon issue you might have..if you have one.

cheers fnq

Hi FQN,

Use lost me with Bombadier?

as a women once said please explain

neil

[hivalley]

Castrol, Valvoline, Shell, Caltex, etc. etc.
I would not put any of this cheap crap oil in my weed eater let alone a 10k or 20k outboard. But plenty do and then complain that brand x outboards are crap because the powerhead failed or 2 strokes are smoke blowing dinosaurs. Good oil = less smoke - less carbon - longer life - smoother running - no fouling etc. etc.
Just my 2 cents.

[FNQCairns]

Hi FQN,

Use lost me with Bombadier?

as a women once said please explain

neil

Sorry Bombadier is the parent company that makes the Evinrude etecs and other recreational products also their XD line of oils was once a Torco brand oil. It's all so incestuous and the past just doesn't get forgotten it gets wiped!

cheers fnq

[Kleyny]

Castrol, Valvoline, Shell, Caltex, etc. etc.
I would not put any of this cheap crap oil in my weed eater let alone a 10k or 20k outboard. But plenty do and then complain that brand x outboards are crap because the powerhead failed or 2 strokes are smoke blowing dinosaurs. Good oil = less smoke - less carbon - longer life - smoother running - no fouling etc. etc.
Just my 2 cents.

So what oil do you recommend????

neil

[trueblue]

anyone heard of "Seirra' 2 stroke oil?

Was told today by a marine mechanic that it was a good oil, but I have never heard of it.

cheers

Mick

[trueblue]

"XD" oils, what are these? is this the super expensive stuff running in the Etecs at $80 a bottle?

If it is, that just not an option in a 50:1 injected 2 stroke motor. Using Yamalube I already burn $15 of oil in a 100 klm trip.

cheers

Mick

[Kleyny]

Sorry Bombadier is the parent company that makes the Evinrude etecs and other recreational products also their XD line of oils was once a Torco brand oil. It's all so incestuous and the past just doesn't get forgotten it gets wiped!

cheers fnq

So if i read your first post right mercury is good.

I use quicksilver/merc in my merc as i am a believer of use what the manufacturer recommends.

neil

[hivalley]

Hi Niel,

I have worked in the oil industry for 27 years and I can tell you that oils aint oils. You do have to pay for the good stuff. For a carb 2 stroke injected or premix one of the best I know available in Oz is Evinrude's XD50. I would at least run a semi-synthetic from one of the big outboard manufactures - Merc, Yam, BRP etc.
A full synthetic is the best.

[hivalley]

FNQ is spot on, I run nothing but BRP's XD oils, I to believe they are the very best available 2 stroke oil.