I have always used shimano tld 15 20 and 25 great reels bought 2 okuma reels on special for $199 each and within 12 months one of them packed it in so I pulled it apart and the internals were rusted to hell so last time I ever buy okuma for me it is only 2 players shimano and penn had both brands for 10 plus years and never a single problem. Cheers and tight lines guys.