i no and thats where i stuffed up, it just slammed me and took off. i did not hit it as it was smoking and my rod was under a hell of a lot of presher. i new straight away when i droped it i should have tryed to rip its lips off. dam loomis is to fricken soft to keep the hook pinned good. its funny as 99% of the time i try and hit every thing like one of them pro yanky bass fishos and then hit them again and again. im kicking my self now