Pictures of slugs and sliders

[Slider]

I have 9lb schneider as my main line with 15lb or 20lb schneider (whatever I have laying around) as my casting leader.

Is all about maximising distance without compromising ability to land fish. In mono lines, 9lb with a 15 - 20lb casting leader is the lowest poundage I deem that can be used safely on the likes of big tailor (10lb +), longtails, spaniards etc in the surf, but still achieve good distance casting without throwing lures off. I've used 6lb schneider several times and have beached longtails 8 - 10kg, broadbarred and tailor around 8lb, but have been busted up a fair bit in the process - which doesn't happen with 9lb. The leader knot is more vulnerable to break with 6lb.

Lindsay

[apconcen]

thanks slider,

huh.. I thought you said in your experience greenbacks will bite through anything less that 100lb for leader ??

1) I fish mostly from a Jetty[SPJ in Goldcoast] ..many people lose the greenbacks as they try to try to get them over the barrier about 10-15ft from sea level to over the rail on to the platform.

2) you can also imagine that when I use lures on the wind back they would be moving back to me at an angle as I cannot keep my rod tip down in the sea.

from experience I know I have to use a 20lb line with a say 0.45mm diameter to get the fighting greenback over the barrier.[ u should see the rod and the fight as the fish is suspended in mid-air for that 5 or so seconds or so..ur knots, swivel, rod and line better hold up ]

my question is ...how much do you think my lure casting distance will be affected with the heavier line [20lb] I use ?

I use mostly 30lb -18"wire with pillies when the greenbacks are around. Do you think penn 10x 40lb[0.6mm] is too heavy for a leader ro attach to my lure ?

Any recommendations on a lure retreival technique I can use when one is 15ft over the sea level ?

thanks man

[yellowbeard]

Made up a pretty rough slider this morning before heading out to the beach. Just a large barrel sinker buffed up on the grinder. But Hawks Nest and Mungo have been the pits this week. Way too much chop and breaking out too far. And the noreaster yesterday was a mongrel. So I'll have to try it and a few of the other suggestions here another time.
http://www.coastalwatch.com/camera/c...e=Hawks%20Nest
Will report on progress.

[deepfried]

For those interested i got the mold for this slug from barlows tackle in the US. I havent tricked it up or anything as i cant be stuffed and they catch fish as is. Also sorry about the poor picture. The mold has two different sizes, one make 60g and the other 90g slugs. There is a smaller mold as well with three sizes. To get stuff from them you have to spend $100 US though but you will save a heap not having to buy another slug after that.

[deepfried]

apconcen,
I will try to answer some of your questions as i think slider is away. He can correct anything i suggest thats wrong when he is back.
He is using sliders that have a 120lb wire leader to the 15 - 20lb leader then to the main line. The 120lb wire is to prevent bite offs, the 15 - 20lb leader is for casting so you dont get snap offs and the lighter main line is used to get distance.
If you want to increase your distance but keep abrasion resistance over the barrier use the heavier leader but make it only as long as you need to get the fish over the barrier ie if you only have 20' of line out when they get to the barrier then make your leader 20' + rod length and a couple of wraps around the spool. The main line can then be a lot lighter. This way you get the benefit of longer distance but the leader should protect you from abrasion. You will loose a fair bit of distance running a 20lb mainline.
40lb leader isnt too heavy but it wont stop bite offs. I use a 40lb leader ( for abrasion resistance more than anything ) then about 8 inches of single strand wire to the lure to stop the bite offs if green backs are around.
When you are 15' above sea level it makes it hard but try a few pauses and let the lure drop then star again. Read some of the oother threads and see how others do it and try them all. Other than that just see what works over time.

[apconcen]

thanks deepfried...very clear and helps me alot

can we get a bit specific with casting distance issue. What would be the maximum lb line that you would be willing to use on your mainline and what distance would you expect to acheive with a say a 2 oz sinker with pillie attached 'into' say a light 10knot wind assuming trace and leader setup as per above ?

What is the diameter of that line you would use ?

I ask because I use mainlines - 10kg [0.35mm] on one reel and 15kg[0.42mm] on the other reel..both with 10ft rods. I dont usually fish the rocks but do you think my lines are too heavy as I dont think I am casting more than 75mtrs? I am thinking of switching 1 reel to 6kg[0.28mm] mainline with my existing reel of penn 10x 40lb leader and 100lb wire trace.

How much more distance do you think I would get per cast with the new setup ?

[deepfried]

Mate i havent used pillies for a long time and use braid so i am not the best person to answer questions on mono. If your not fishing around rocks though you could drop your mainline down a fair bit but would need a casting leader. If you are going to go down to 6kg line, use a 20lb casting leader then your wire. You may not need wire though if you are using gangs. Try with and without wire to see what you like. I only use wire when spinning as a big tailor can take the whole lure and bite you off. Lighter mainlines def mean longer distance.
I am using 20lb braid that has a diameter of .18mm and have gone down to 14lb in the past but it was fire line so prob more like 20lb anyway.

[Slider]

Thanks Deepfried, I think you've covered things very nicely indeed.

Apconcen, casting distance increases substantially with lower poundage line, but technique and equipment play a big role also. Throwing 20lb line with 10 foot rods is never going to achieve large distances for anyone though. I'd be inclined to adopt Deepfried's suggestion of dropping back to say 15lb mono with perhaps 25lb casting leader for the jetty whether using baits or lures.

One thing I will add for those that don't want to use casting leaders and just want to tie their main line straight to a lure and cast. To achieve maximum distance and not throw off lures, 12 - 15lb mono is the line poundage I would recommend. If using lighter lures of say between 30g and 50g, then around 12lb would be the poundage of choice. If using heavier lures up to about 75g, then around 15lb would be a more appropriate poundage. In braid, 20 - 25lb would achieve similar results.

Using a casting leader has the added advantage of being able to change lure size readily on the same outfit.

Came back early from Pancake due to boat trailers (not mine) completely falling apart and outboard (not mine) not starting. Was lots of fun though towing a disintegrating trailer with a good for nothing boat on it from Teewah to Gladstone and back. The trailer was brand new and manufactured by some guy at Narangba that advertises his trailer manufacturing business. To say it was shoddily constructed would be a gross understatement. Extensive structural and welding repairs were required in Maryborough (after tow truck from near Poona) and in Gladstone - just got it there before it collapsed.

Lindsay

[yellowbeard]

After noticing that Slider's lure looked a bit like the BiLow $5.99 special, I tried one that I'd had in my tackle bag: Whang! hooked up almost straight away and went home with 3 nice greenbacks and lost about the same. Then rigged up with 4kg Berkley (yank) mono, tied a bloodknot onto 10K pre-test mono and tried a very rough surf in the arvo on the full tide. Couldn't believe the first cast -- bloody thing went out-of-sight, and I'm not kidding. Then almost immediate hook-up out back. These little suckers really work but out of 5 landed I lost 5 -- not counting the hits that didn't hook up, so I suppose this is because of the head-shake thing and the fact that my 60g Bilow (Neptune) pilchard lure is not a slider.

[deepfried]

Also looks like a Gillies Pilchard and a bit cheaper. How did the trebles hold up. The Gillies trebles are shite. Good stuff getting a few it is a bit quiet down here.

[apconcen]

yelllowbeard,

where are you located? Its been pretty crap on the Gold coast with the westerlies

[hooknose]

Yellowbeard, try changing the hooks over to opposing 4/0's as slider suggests in "spinning for tailor" should increase your distance and increase your hook up/catch rate.
ps nice fish mate, nothin like a good spinning sesh to warm you up !!

[Slider]

Just one thing about the 'pilchard' lure pictured above - they have most of the weight at the tail end for jigging which often causes them to tumble when casting in to the breeze. I would put the hooks at the head end and tie the leader to the tail end for better casting. Won't affect hook up rates at all and will cast much better. But definately use opposite facing single hooks of 3/0 or 4/0 for tailor.

[yellowbeard]

This is Hawks Nest/Mungo Beach, Port Stephens. Yes that bloody westerly caught up on Saturday. Whilst conditions looked perfect, nice swell, high tide etc., didn't get a nibble, nothing, nada! As I mentioned previously I have a Pelican 12' rod and a Maple (something or other) for bream. And as someone said here the Pelican should be ok. Well it's just the ticket, that's because the bream rod is too whippy with a 60g lure. The Pelican is great. Some months ago this guy on the beach showed me his casting technique, which is: whilst standing sideways to the surf to hold the rod at your back with the casting hand dead straight then just on completion of the cast to bring the elbow of the other hand sharply into your stomach to get the whip. You end up with your own variations of this but it really gets the distance.
Yes, I'll try messing with the hooks.
Re the trebles, they're very sharp and I haven't had a prob so far. And like it says on the pack they are strong. A couple were so embedded in the tailor's mouth that I had a job getting them out.
Does anyone know how to make a lead mould, because I'm thinking about pressing one into some clay and making my own? Oddly enough in the 70s I used to be a pipe-leader (that's sealing up metal water pipes with lead) on the Gold Coast Council -- and we used to pour the lead into clay to get the right shape. And where do you buy the lead?

[fishel]

and we used to pour the lead into clay to get the right shape. And where do you buy the lead?

If you know any roofers that would keep the old roofing nails for you, they had a nice blob of lead on top of them.

Cheers Eleanor