Pictures of slugs and sliders

[yellowbeard]

Hi guys,

I might have mentioned before that I got instantly hooked on beach fishing last year. It's a sad tale. The tailor happened to be 'on' from my first visit and I bagged 8 biggies on pillies. Then as the months went on I graduated to bream, and when they're on they can't resist the ol' cooked venamai prawns. But tailor are becoming a bit more elusive. I've been trying Kokoda Roger lures, but can't chuck 'em far enough and have to put a barrel sinker on to get even mild distance. I've been reading here about slugs and sliders, and am keen to tinker in the garage to produce a few.
If I've got this right I can't get more distance by using about 4kg line with about 15kg leader, which I guess is tied with a bloodknot. I've got a few rods but maybe the 12ft Pelican -- not a lot of whip in it though -- but then the bream rod is too whippy.
I'd love to see pics of home made slugs and sliders, even if they're taken with a mobile phone camera. I've set up a photobucket account for anyone who's not used to posting pics here. So you just upload your pic to photobucket.
http://s681.photobucket.com/albums/vv177/slugmaker/
The username is slugmaker and the password is also slugmaker. Just login and select Choose files to upload the pic from your PC. (Use the account for any pics you like for the future)
Then you copy the "Direct Link" under the pic.
In Ausfish you click on the "insert image" icon on the top toolbar -- and paste the direct link into the box.



Just one more thing. I've had this lure, which some guy in the tackle shop swore by some years ago. It's a Halco -- Smiths No 5 I think. Think it's supposed to be for trolling for big surface fish. Could this be modified or used as a tailor lure?



Cheers

Yellowbeard

[hooknose]

Gday Yellowbeard, there was originally pictures of sliders posted in the "spinning for Tailor" thread, unfortunately Ausfish seems to have lost them and many of the useful images posted in old threads that provided a wealth of information on rigs etc, for ausfishers( many of these posters do not contribute any more and use other chat forums these days). It was a major stuff up when they upgraded servers or something. Some guys lost there usernames(eg Surfsniper) as well after being on ausfish for years, was never fixed up. Hopefully Slider will repost them if he sees this thread. Might want to post a request to him in the "spinning for tailor" thread.
Cheers !!

[DigitalSI]

Save time and buy a Halco 40gm Twisty in Silver. It will suit a 4Kg line with a 15kg leader and the 12' rod with bugger all whip should be fine. Just use a 30~40cm leader. My 10' Wilson has bugger all whip, i use 20lb mainline with 40lb leader and I seem to cast the distance, though, I use 55 & 70gm ones on that rod. 40gm twistys I use on my 9' Gary Howard Viper with 15lb main line and 40lb leader. If the Tailor are there I can 99.99% say you will hook up with these slugs.

www.halcotackle.com/twisty.html

[sleepygreg]

The halco twistys are a great lure, you can use them with varying speeds, rip em across as fast as you can wind, or use a slow jerky retrieve and they still have action. The second pic is the classic smiths jig.......an oldy but a goody....used by the pros for catching kingies, tuna, mackeral and dollies. They usually use them on lead lines or cord lines....solid as a brick outhouse...but you have to give them the action...hard to describe in words..but its like working a soft plastic at trolling speeds.

Greg

[Slider]

Have put a pic of one of Sliders on the 'Spinning for Tailor' thread Yellowbeard, and a bit of info on availability. Send me a pm if you like.

The trolling lure you ask about - guessing weight would be 65 - 85g by looking at it. Could be used for tailor, but casting it would be a bit of a mare as it would tumble badly with hooks off to one side. Other than that it would work.

You mention 15kg leader - I think that should be 15lb. And it is a casting leader - about 6 metres long that when casting has a wrap or 2 on the spool. The idea is to prevent throwing lures off as would happen with 4kg - the line being held at the finger during a cast is 15lb and at the tip runner is 15lb which should prevent cast offs. Change the casting leader every 50 or so casts as the mono weakens at the finger and at the tip runner - if being cast correctly.
A leader of anything under 100lb mono will not prevent tailor biting through. The guys that use 30 or 40lb leader to guard against teeth are absolutely kidding. Someone once said on this site that tailor can bite through wire - well they were kidding themselves also.

Lindsay

[deepfried]

hey mate i havent got photos but making tailor lures with barrel and bean sinkers is fairly simple. I have used them made with 60lb mono ( not recommended ), single strand wire and multi strand wire. I just use a sinker, length of any of the above a split ring and a treble. Basically attach split ring onto leader then run a barrel or bean sinker onto it. You can add a red bead above the sinker if you want for a bit of colour or not. Attach what ever hook system you want to use and you are ready to go. I then tie it to the mainline with a double uni for mono, swivel if using single strand wire and for multi strand i cheat and use those cheap premade wire leaders but cut the swivel and clip of them and tie onto the loop at one end. Cheap and easy and they work. You can get fancy and tie feathers to the hooks add more coloured beads, paint the sinkers i just spray them with chrome paint or buff them up with a bit of steel wool etc etc. So basically it only costs you a sinker, split ring, hook/s and the leader. You can go to as much trouble as you like as long as they work i guess. hardest part is finding the fish.

[yellowbeard]

I'm starting to get the idea. I bought some Force10 trace wire yesterday (and some spit rings). It's got those little tubes that you either crimp or "weld", with a warning not to burn the protective coating. What's best -- to crimp or weld? Would you dangle a couple of 4.0 hooks instead of the treble or what? Also bought some Yank Berkley 4kg line. Had my hand on some cheapie Jarvis Walker 4kg line for a minute but since using their reels I think I'd rather get smallpox than another Jarvis Walker product. The Fireline (think that's what it's called) was very expensive. Anyone got a preference for 4Kg mono?
Hey Slider, did you make that lure in the "Spinning for Tailor" thread? Have you got any idea how something like that would turn out if I tried to make it? I'm no Leonardo Da Vinci. So what does a mug like me do? Couldn't get the right size barrel sinkers, so I'll have to shop around. I've got some old brass rollicks that maybe I could shape into something -- sacrilege!!
I'm thinking that considering the often windy conditions where I fish that weight will be critical. I can cast about a 50 or 60grm ball sinker reasonably far, so I'm thinking about that weight. Seems to be all about getting the right ratio between the sinker weight and the flexibility of the rod.

[Slider]

Yellowbeard, there was a thread a couple of years ago = 'Sliders - How To Make' which might help. There have been a lot of people trying to find ways to make them and we had plenty of fun ourselves until Prickly Pete solved the problem for us. It's not easy, but I recall Nico came up with a good idea involving existing slug moulds.
First started making sliders in about '95 mate - firstly in Prickly Pete's mould one at a time, then in a spincasting machine that pours around 20 per minute.

120lb 49 strand wire is best for rigging sliders on and I would suggest crimping rather than welding. Hard mono leader such as Mason or Penn 10x can be used, but tailor will eventually chew through due to the slug sliding. For tuna, queenies, gts etc that don't have teeth that are a problem for mono, I tend to use between 35 and 100lb mono trace, depending on the target species. I crimp the hooks for 100lb and crimp a small loop for the casting leader to tie to, but tie the hooks on lighter leaders and directly to the casting leader.
I use 9lb Schneider Yellowbeard with a 15 - 20lb casting leader - usually Schneider, and have always been happy with its performance. A cheap line that I have used is the green stuff at BCF - not sure on brand name, but is like $4.50 for a 600 odd metre spool. Have used that line on queenies and gts over 30lb in the Gulf up north and on tailor here - it's not too bad but lasts about a third as long as Schneider before it needs replacing.

Lindsay

[fadd]

Lindsay is that 9lb schneider you use for mainline th original or the newer thinner diameter that came out a couple of years ago cheers Adam.

[fadd]

Lindsay is that 9lb schneider you use for mainline the original or the newer thinner diameter that came out a couple of years ago cheers Adam.

[Slider]

Is conventional green 9lb schneider Adam. Would be better lines for the purpose available no doubt, but I can recommend it with confidence to perform well, have good lifespan and is a respectable price.
Casting distance is massively improved by using 9lb instead of 15 or even 12 lb and there wouldn't be too many fish that this gauge won't handle from the beach providing leader set up is appropriate. Brute force isn't a method that I have ever found useful in the surf anyway. And as long as the reel holds good yardage - I only use TSS 4s for spinning and dread the day the 3 or 4 I have left are no longer serviceable - then it's no problem to give a spaniard or longtail 400 metres from the beach to knock himself up.

[fadd]

Thanks Lindsay for the info i also use the TSS4 and only have two left i will spool one up with the 9lb and use my 20lb schneider as leader. You reccomend about 3m of leader do you attatch this to the main line using a doublle uni or do you prefer another knot.I also subscribe to playing my fish than skull dragging as it is more enjoyable and skillful way to fish.I just purchased at a good price a 12ft Daiwa Heartland surf rated to 2oz this shoulld cast the 35-45grm slugs i use a fair distance cheers Adam

[Slider]

Fadd, that be 6 metres of casting leader - enough so that when casting, the leader has a wrap or 2 on the spool.
The knot I use in this situation is a 'double blood' - 2 normal blood knots back to back.

[fadd]

Thanks Lindsay all in the vault. Lindsay have you ever tried flurocarbon leader when tying straight to the lure i have had success on pillie rigs and will experiment with new setup.Also is there anywhere i can purchase the 45grm model sliders from i live Brisbane north cheers Adam.

[apconcen]

slider,

just to be clear..what poundage do you use for your leader AND what poundage do you use for you main line?

Is this a good setup for distance assuming you have your casting technique and proper rod/reel in order?