nissan dashboards

[Lucky_Phill]

Sorry Ben, but it seems this may make the " Minities Moments " short list for 2009.


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[BenDover]

Ha, Understandably. Wrong thread post. My screen went bad so I currently have it hooked up to my 50" plasma which doesnt help and I get a tan if im on for more than 10 minutes at a time.

[White Pointer]

A mate of mine has an 02 or 03 without any issues. His is the tan coloured dash whereas mine is black. I wonder if the black is the problem as it will get a lot hotter in direct sun than the tan?

Still bloody ordinary though.

Dave.

G'day,

No, colour is not too important under glass. The composition of the plastic and the heat tolerance of the adhesive is important. So to is the ability of the foam under all that to expand and contract with heating and cooling without turning into a rock or breaking down.

We cop some extreme variations in temperature in QLD and paint and trim finishes have to cope. Testing vehicles in Australia has provided new standards for materials since the 1980's, so there's no excuse in 2009 for new cars not to survive our conditions.

Patrol owners can force this issue.

Regards,

White Pointer

[backlash08]

I own my first and last Nissan after many toyota, Being a qualified mech (in past life) I thought, 'why pay the extra for a toyota again, get a nissan' well since then I have given myself a few upper cuts.
The vehicle is ok but the service and dealer performance in crap and when i did try for warranty.....well, what a drama that was.
My Pathfinder is 12 months old now, another year and its landcruiser again

good luck with the dash, and that hourly rate, what a joke, do they employ heart surgeons there?

[TimiBoy]

My 2003 GUIII always pulled to the left. I had Konis put in, and the racing guys who did the job aligned her as well. Told me the axles were out, needed a camber kit to fix it. They were within tolerance, but opposite, if you know what I mean.

Told Nissan, argued around for a while, then had some dippy little twit tell me they were designed that way, as most countries in the world had left hand drive - it was to handle the opposite camber on the roads.

Bought a Toyota.

Tim

[keen_angler]

Hey Guys, have a read of the attached certainly not an isolated issue.

you might get some ideas on how to tackle Nissan.

http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/showt...ht=bubble+dash

http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/showt...ht=bubble+dash

[DazSamFishing]

My 2003 GUIII always pulled to the left. I had Konis put in, and the racing guys who did the job aligned her as well. Told me the axles were out, needed a camber kit to fix it. They were within tolerance, but opposite, if you know what I mean.

Told Nissan, argued around for a while, then had some dippy little twit tell me they were designed that way, as most countries in the world had left hand drive - it was to handle the opposite camber on the roads.

Bought a Toyota.

Tim

Tim, my 08 CRD Patrol is also pulling to the left. It only started pulling after I fitted larger rubber. I'll have to fix her too.

I wish I had purchased a landy... but the 10k price difference was the problem.

daz

[oldboot]

The more I hear about nissans the less I want one.

Bubbling dashes........."oh Thats unusual"..............no very common.

Turbo diesels blowing up,......Oh thats the fisrt one Iv've seen"...... BULL####

High parts prices on things that break.

parts only available as complete assemblies.

I'm convinced... a toyota it is.

cheers

[FNQCairns]

Not that I have seen the bubbling but why wouldn't some epoxy injected into the bubbles work with pressure to hole them flat until set?

Dash bubbles are not cool for resale value.

cheers fnq

[oldboot]

Having done a bit of plastic and vinyl lay up I can chance a gues about the cause.

if you lay up vinyl or plastic sheet onto some other substrate, timber, metal, foam and use a solvent bassed adhesive, there are a couple of traps.

If you dont let the adhesive go off properly before laying down the adhesive a certain amount of the solvent will be trapped....this may be absorbed in the substrate or in the surface coating or simply be trapped in the adhesive layer.

ano problem at all......untill the surface gets hot and the solvent gasifies and the adhesive softens......hey presto bubbles.

With some luck over time the solvent will escape or disipate thru the substrate or the coating....however if the substrate is metal and the coating is a "good plastic" it has nowhere to go.....if the substrate is foam it han hold quite a bit of solvent for quite some time.....I have had cases that I have lined and shut up after a day still smell solvently on being opened months after.
I have seen ABS coated equipment cases bubble several months after being built just by being put in the sun.

combine that with a significant advantage and increased speed for the builder of laying up with the glue a little bit green......and you have a problem over thousands of units.

Oh and don't forget the adhesive blooming.....if the adhesive is laid up on a humid and possibly cool day there can be a moisture inclusion in the lay up

This is a classic adhesive use error....anybody who has read or been coached on laying up laminates or upholstery should know about this.

the problem with epoxies thin enough to inject is they tend to have long open times and can be a bit agressive solvent wise.

The standard ( rough) solution is the cut or pierce the lifted area when hot to allow the excess solvent to escape then bang it down with a rubber hammer or a block of wood.

On absorbent substrates PVA glue is considered a good solution.

regardless..... this is a manufacturing error and the dash is "not fit for purpose".
If you arent getting any joy.....think solicitor or consumer affairs.

to speculate on a pre problem cure.......if your dash hasn't bubled yet.......try keeping the dash out of direct sunlight but allowing the car to get good and warm.......cover the dash with a loght coloured towel or dash mat when parking in the sun......with some luck the heat will drive the excess solvent out and cure the adhesive properly before it gets a chance to bubble.... this may take some time.... over time the plastic surface will dry and harden too.

BUT.....if there is included solvent....it will damage the materials in the long term.

The best option is to sell the bugger and buy a toyota.

cheers

cheers

[The-easyrider]

Oldboot thanks for the info in your last post, most informative. FNQ the bubbles are in their hundreds and resemble large pimples and there is a layer of foam between the vinyl and the substrait so glueing wont work and I dont feel I should have to after paying over 50k for a new car and they told me that labour to fix would be 6 hours at $130ph x replace dash every two years = $390 per year for dash matainance that I didnt factor into the runnig costs. I wish I had bought another Tojo but couldn't justfy the 17k price diffarance at the time and proberly still cant although the 80 series I had was a mighty truck still had things break that shouldn't have although the interior was still in dam good shape after 10 years and the young bloke that bought it still loves it so wont sell it back to me