Also, found this:
http://autospeed.com/cms/A_1491/printArticle.html
Look under "BP Offering"
Lookslike some servos in Brisbane (about half a dozen) have been trialling the Premium Unleaded with Ethanol... since 2002 according to that page. Perhaps the Underwood servo is one of those... Maybe the trial is still going?
Originally Posted by NAGG
nagg i only ever used ulp in my boat from my local bp as it was on the corner so never used anything else. i got to know some of the boys ho who worked there and was told that they regularly mix e10 with ulp and pulp depending on the availability of fuel. the only fuel at this servo which never got mixed was ultimate.
have had my dirty fuel tested and was found to have 45%ethenol 20 %water and the rest was fuel, this was a random sample from my dirty tank, this was enough for me, i will never use ulp again. have also talked to owner of caloundra marine who races offshore boats and he told me pulp will not hurt 4 strokes as long as you got good water flow through the engine. pulp can run the motor hotter but not enough to do any damage but dont take my word i suggest everyone ask their own mechanic but pulp will not seperate like e10 or ulp mixed.
helpe me so i m a pulp user from now on.
supa.
all straight from the BP website
BP Unleaded 91 with up to 10% renewable ethanol is our first renewable fuel blend. It has been available in Queensland since 2001. And is also available in service stations throughout New South Wales, and ACT, as we work to give more Australians, the choice of better fuels.
site locator (BP anyway) where you can find whatever fuel you are after
http://www.bp.com/iframe.do?category...tentId=7037710
info on BP Premium
Unleaded 95 is seasonally blended to help cars start easily, and because of the higher energy content, gives the potential for a reduction in fuel consumption all year round.
Why use Unleaded 95?
Many imported cars, and particularly those with turbochargers, respond well to unleaded 95 petrol. These high performance cars are often designed for high octane fuel and use sensors to retard ignition when using regular petrol. This enables satisfactory operation, but at a penalty in power or economy. Unleaded 95 enables operation at maximum efficiency. It also contains a detergent additive, which keeps fuel injectors, carburetors, inlet valves and ports clean to help maintain optimum performance of your engine
also a side note on how long you can keep fuel
How long can I store my fuel?
As general guideline, fuel stored in sealed containers and under shelter will be suitable to use for about 12 months. If the container has been opened or stored outdoors, especially in the sun, storage time should be limited to 6 months. When storing fuel, also consider the suitability of the fuel for future use, for example storing summer diesel for winter use should be avoided.
I was under the impression and belief that the service stations placed orders for thier blends and straight fuels directly from thier major suppliers. I would find it alarming to know how a service station could accurately meter x% of ethanol into its tanks and be within the guidelines set out by the authorities.
A good friend of many years managed two very larger service stations for a major brand name and often complained about being ripped off by his own brand suppliers because they deliver "hot" fuel at so many thousand litres into his underground tanks. He would dip immediately after the tanker delivered in the evening and again in the morning pre-trade hours and find the fuel had cooled and he effectively has lost several hundred litres of volume. His complaints always fell on deaf ears however. Eventually he tired of the cut throat game and being ripped off and left the industry for a better life.
Back to the point........who actually adds the ethanol to the fuel?? The outlet or the supplier at the refinery?
Jack.
it is added at the distributor (depot) but no, they are not able to order a mix of X% ethanol, they can only buy either E10,ULP etc etc, the service stations play no part in mixing the fuel, the depot or refinery (if it comes straight from there) does that
this is definately a problem all over the place, i know the servo operators dont have any say in what they get they just order the type but my biggest concern is if the fuel with ethonal is sitting in the under ground tanks what sort of seperation is happening in these tanks and at what point does the boat or car owne get a gut full of straight ethenol or water mix.
i have a document that im trying to scan on to this tread that state 14 day seperation of ethenol so i think this is going to be a major problem with boat owners, and by the look of this thread it is a bigger problem than i even thought so i hope this discussion has helped some people identify problems in thier boats.
supa......
since 1998 until recently i was using BP unleaded in my 90hp 2stroke
i always thought this contained 5% ethanol
have had no fuel related issues
now i run car/bike/boat on either premium or ultimate
For 3 months in May 2002 not until 2009. Leigh
Hmm well what do ya know... Went past the BP underwood one today to take the magic pic, and they have changed their sign... Instead of it saying Premium unleaded + 10% Ethanol like it has for the last 12 months or more..... it has been changed now to say "Discount Unleaded + 10% Ethanol", which is definitely new. So who knows whats going on there.
Making me look like a liar now! Oh well
all good mate
This has been an interesting read, I used to use PULP in my 50 hp oil burner mainly because of the previously mentioned loss of octane level/etc, but stopped after hearing and reading about possible overheat/damage. Went to ULP, funny how our local BP (Innisfail) also has a bad rap for poor fuel. Interesting that at that time BP were offering ULP,PULP and ultimate. Three levels to everyone elses two. Not sure who offers what now, I was using shell, now use Woollies(brand new servo)
I have had problems using the ULP, mainly idle/trolling, motor will just die without warning, pain to restart. Runs fine in any other use, anything above idle and skiing/towing toys. Some might say(and they have) that two strokes hate to idle and troll, but, Never had this problem with PULP. Have warning system on motor and never overheated with either fuel. I am also wondering with oil burners (carbie not etech)whether the oil would effect the overall operating temp between the two fuels.
Have been considering a change back to PULP just to see if these problems dissappear. Mind you this topic might all be a waste if ethanol free fuel is being phased out. Might all be using PULP(hopefully ethanol free) because the other stuff just raises too many questions/risks/fears.
Further on this, was in a BP servo today(sydney) and noticed a sticker on the bowser saying "dont use + ethenol fuel in boats use 95 or 98 octane" Leigh
The simplest answer here is "Don't use ethanol blended fuel in a boat"......
End of story.....
Whoops... Double post.. Sorry
Yeah, we never use e10 in our outboard, we just feel that being a 2 stroke mercury it is probably just looking for a reason to not work. However, I have not believed that there is much risk of the servo (we use shell) putting ethanol in the normal unleaded, does it really happen that often? Ive never had a problem
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