sick sawfish slaughter!!

[GBC]

i find ur comments very disturbing seems like you are all for this destruction of marine life, sharks are a valuble main stay of every reef system and river system in the world they clean up all sick and diseased fish, just because they have no commercial value for trawlers does not give them the right to dump hundreds of dead sharks back into the water. and how can u say it was unlucky for the the flats to dry out, i say it was a god send now we no something is a miss in the minds of trawlers. actually quite shocking seeing a site like that. also seems like they are more concerned about the money going into there pocket than the enviroment these guys are out there most days you would think these guys should be the leaders in fish preservation.

cheers mike

Mike, Ozbee is simply saying it how it is and I would like to thank him for that.
Don't blame him for educating you - even if you don't like what you see. Sawfish aren't sharks - get it right. They aren't being caught by trawlers - get it right. Ozbee has already stated that he'd prefer that trapping was used instead of nets which vastly lowers bycatch.
It's geese like the one's going off half cocked on this thread that do more damage than good.
I don't agree with what's happening either, but the fact remains that these creeks and rivers are set netted on most tides and have been since the fifties. The bycatch is the same, and what happens to the bycatch hasn't changed either - it happens once a day - every day - do the maths.
Most people here have heard my opinions about inshore trawling and netting on numerous occasions over the years so it doesn't bear repeating, but it is legal and I don't see that anyone can touch this bloke.

[michael_mad_fisho]

"Sawfish aren't sharks - get it right. They aren't being caught by trawlers - get it right"

how are so many of these fish ending up dead then mate. must have got there somehow. . . i can understand he is just saying how it is, just the way it was written, im sure cats are good for nothing but there is still a law against the mistreatment of animals . they say the culprit has been found so there for he must have had some affiliation with a professional fishing rig or trawler otherwise why put a ban on COMMERCIAL fishing for 90 days. im not going off half cocked mate just putting my point across wasnt attacking anyone in any way. and dont see the need for petty derogatrys

cheers mike

[GBC]

im not going off half cocked mate just putting my point across wasnt attacking anyone in any way> quote

One day I hope you'll see the irony in what you've written.

By going off half cocked - again - you've managed to offend more people in your second post than your first.

Maybe we should just group all pro fishermen under the sub-section "Infidel". That way you can sit up your ivory tower and not have to learn anything about your subject matter before casting your aspersions upon the masses of unwashed idiots you think we are.

[trymyluck]

About time people stopped raping the sea on the justification that people need to eat, If we cannot harvest fish in a way that has a minimum impact then we should go without. But wait now the real reason comes out, we make money out of it and if we have to slaughter half the ocean to do it then thats just too bad isn't it.
If you can not be bothered getting off your bum to catch it then eat farmed fish I say.

Mark

[FNQCairns]

About time people stopped raping the sea on the justification that people need to eat, If we cannot harvest fish in a way that has a minimum impact then we should go without. But wait now the real reason comes out, we make money out of it and if we have to slaughter half the ocean to do it then thats just too bad isn't it.
If you can not be bothered getting off your bum to catch it then eat farmed fish I say.

Mark

I largely hold this value also, recfishing is hunter gathering and so grossly low impact in method it's almost a silly proposition as the resources needed greatly outweighs the return and all this before any regulatory input. I liken it to picking a tomato field with a rod and hook from a helicopter.

One day we will not be the easy target whipping boy.

Anyway sawfish are dangerous and almost impossible to remove from nets live in any cost/time effective way, if they where a sellable item no one would blink an eye at the death of this many - fish are not sentient, it's interesting to categorise what bit about this episode makes up most of the uproar.

cheers fnq

[croangler]

"About time people stopped raping the sea on the justification that people need to eat, If we cannot harvest fish in a way that has a minimum impact then we should go without."

I agree 100%. slaughter should not be an excuse for their greed. its not about the fish, not about anything but money.

[bronsonwinston]

Im with you trymyluck. It would be great to see farmed seafood including fish, prawns & shelfish make up more of a percentage of whats in the fish shops. Done in the right way i would think it would create a lot of jobs and take pressure of the inshore marine life.

[disorderly]

it's interesting to categorise what bit about this episode makes up most of the uproar.

cheers fnq

Apart from my usual displeasure at inshore /estuary netting,Scott.....this type of senseless killing is just a waste..if they were to be eaten or used for something then it would not be so bad..sometimes though the juice is just not worth the squeeze...

If you can not be bothered getting off your bum to catch it then eat farmed fish I say.

Mark

Yeah let them eat Basa,I say

Im with you trymyluck. It would be great to see farmed seafood including fish, prawns & shelfish make up more of a percentage of whats in the fish shops. Done in the right way i would think it would create a lot of jobs and take pressure of the inshore marine life.

Bronson, Fish farming creates a whole range of environmental issues which need to be addressed as well ..its just not simply "The answer"..

[FNQCairns]

Apart from my usual displeasure at inshore /estuary netting,Scott.....this type of senseless killing is just a waste..if they were to be eaten or used for something then it would not be so bad..sometimes though the juice is just not worth the squeeze...



Yeah let them eat Basa,I say



Bronson, Fish farming creates a whole range of environmental issues which need to be addressed as well ..its just not simply "The answer"..

Good analogy Scott, it certainly is a waste and shouldn't happen, surgical is the only way for the pros. It's been happening for a hundred years and may even be the practical reason why so many of them got netted this time...not naturally inconceivable that's for sure.

cheers fnq

[michael_mad_fisho]

GBC,
the irony is that i havent attacked any one and that you seem to be doing the attacking it honestly just makes you look guilty your self (simply an observation not attacking) . just putting my thoughts forward as requested by cobia kid. the only person i have seemed to offend has been you? i never once criticised the way trawlers or pro fisherman go about aquiring there catch, just stating the blatant mistreatment of marine life should be cut to stop and these guys are out there most days, im sure they could all put there heads together to try and reduce the death rate of by-catch.

cheers mike

[trymyluck]

i find ur comments very disturbing seems like you are all for this destruction of marine life, sharks are a valuble main stay of every reef system and river system in the world they clean up all sick and diseased fish, just because they have no commercial value for trawlers does not give them the right to dump hundreds of dead sharks back into the water. and how can u say it was unlucky for the the flats to dry out, i say it was a god send now we no something is a miss in the minds of trawlers. actually quite shocking seeing a site like that. also seems like they are more concerned about the money going into there pocket than the enviroment these guys are out there most days you would think these guys should be the leaders in fish preservation.

cheers mike

Mike
I got the feeling that Osbee wasn't trying to justify the slaughter, just that the goverment by allowing gill netting which has a 100% kill rate in that anything that gets caught in them usually dies is partially responsible and until they outlaw them then these things are going to happen. Same with trawling in estuary systems, not just the catch and by-catch but also the eco-system gets hammered as well. There has got to be a better way and the lively hood of a few pro fisherman should not the main concern.

Maybe instead of voicing your concerns about what other members think about this, we should be letting the people in charge know we are not happy instead of sitting here complaining about it. Anyway thats what i intend to do even if its just a email to a few people.
Mark

[Pridey]

Those images disturbed me, Im not going to lie. However, as stated before, if they werent sawfish, but say, mullet, people wouldnt give anywhere much of a damn. I also agree, if we could farm all seafood great. But as is stands, aquaculture A. cant be done for all species, and B. Generally has a sub standard taste.... not to mention, its still pretty bloody pricey. And seafood is expencive regardless of whether is wild or farmed. Imagine paying $70 kg for macs actually i suppose thats what I do pay in the end after I tally the costs

[Sandman]

What an absoloute waste this guy is a complete idiot in my books not only should he be fined his licence should be removed..

[keepitreel]

I have some photos and video footage of some big piles of fish left to rot on the bank after a barra boat had been netting Massacre Inlet in the Gulf.

We could smell them before we seen them and when we went ashore and had a look there were hundreds of queenfish with the odd mangrove jack and salmon as well.

There were piles in 3 seperate locations and they had been netting off creek mouths only 20metres across.

If I can find them I will post them up.

Bloody disgrace.

[GBC]

This guy, that bloke.

Some of you lot are going to have you're heads explode if you ever see the magnitude that this stuff is happening at on a daily basis.

You've seen one photo.

This practice has been systematically occurring all over northern Oz for longer than I've been alive.

It's legal and its a commercial reality. Keepitreal's mention of three stacks is a dead giveaway - cause that's how the nets are set.

I don't like it - but blaming the fisho is not going to fix anything - changing the law will.