Fillets on boat

[TimiBoy]

Tim, in my brothers case, they are eating type fillets from the fish shop, not actually bait fillets, but he uses them as bait.Can include Tailor, whiting etc
David

He will have to ensure the following:

- skin on
- 40cm + in length
- don't exceed the bag limit.

Frankly, if he doesn't observe these rules, he'll get done. He may argue his case, but if he gets away with it, everyone will be filleting fish, saying they bought them, and producing receipts. Fisheries will be stuffed, ain't going to happen, he will not win.

Remember bag limits are "in possession", so if you had, say 3 Snapper fillets for bait, and 4 snapper on board, you would be over the limit (if one person aboard).

I think your Bro needs to change his practices, unfortunately.

Tim

[dnej]

That is what he and I both figured Tim. It just came up in conversation. A bloke at Bribie got done apparently.Went to shore at one place, prepared his fish, put them back on board, and proceeded to the ramp, and bingo. I am only getting that third hand, by the way.
David

[murf]

we are all law breaking criminals

try and do what we do without breaking some law or another

how many pilchards in a block or a 15kg box? in NSW your only allowed 50 pilchards in possession

there are that many ridiculous laws now that they mean nothing to us and we start to not worry about the real rules/laws

cheers Murf

[sleepygreg]

If you only had 50 pillies on board for a cubing session for Yellowfin....it would be a very short session.....and most likely not result in any fish....we used to go through 4-5 blocks in a session.....and several packs of IQF's for bait. And how would the fish farms go with their feed???

Interesting times.

Greg

[RAT-KING]

I love a good live bait but all this rubbish makes u want 2 never take bait on board and just use lures!!!!

[Grand_Marlin]

Absolute rubbish !!!

If you have a receipt you are fully legal.

A receipt will state:
1) Type of fish
2) Amount purchased
3) Date purchased

As long as you don't have:
1) A different type of fish to that stated on the receipt
2) More than the amount purchased
3) A purchase date ridiculously different to the date it is being used

Then they can't touch you, as you have legal proof of where you obtained the fish.

The receipt also covers you for posession limits.
You are fully legal to buy 500 Snapper and put them on your boat, if you have evidence of where they came from... then you can go fishing and catch 5 more

I agree fully with previous comments about attitude.
Stir them up and they can make life very difficult for you.
There is nothing saying that they can't issue a fine - even if they are wrong.
It is then up to you to fight it through fisheries management, and / or court.

All said and done, they wouldn't beat you, as you have documented proof of where you obtained the fish.

Cheers

Pete

p.s. You gotta love grey areas of legislation

[oldboot]

Ahh......pete what you are saying sounds reasonable...... but show me where that is in the act or regulations.

I've been having a bit of a read lately ( must get back to it) and there are big chunks of the act that realy need some attention and clarification.
There is also stuff in the act that isn't mentioned in the "fisheries guides"


there are quite a few little snippets in there.
Like you are allowed one fish " being prepared for bait" that does not count in your bag limit.

But this purchased sea food and its application to possession limits and other regulations needs clarification.

I for one will not be taking any fillets or " commercialy legal" undersized fish onto any boat and I will not be filleting any fish aboard a boat apart from my clearly allowed "one for bait".

I wont be taking my chances with the discression of a fisheries officer, and even if I win I dont need to be wasting half a day of wage earning time to defend myself in court over a few fillets.

Its just not worth it.

cheers

[Stuie]

Copied this straight from DPI website.

In relation to coral reef finfish, a recreational fisher:

• must not possess, on board a boat, a fish other than in any of the following forms-whole, gilled, gutted or filleted
• may possess, on board a boat, a fillet of a fish other than a blue spotted coral trout (Chinese footballer) trout as long as the length of the fillet is at least 40 cm, and the skin and scales of the fillet are attached to the fillet
• must not return fish to a boat that have been taken ashore from a boat and filleted, unless the length of the fillet is at least 40 cm and skin of the fillet is attached to the fillet
• must not possess a dead coral reef fin fish unless a pectoral fin has been removed from the fish

or

• must not possess a live coral reef fin fish unless the person or fisher intends to immediately return the fish to the sea or to dsiplay the fish in an aquarium.

In relation to fin fish (other than coral reef fin fish) a recreational fisher must not:

• remove the skin from a fish on a boat until the fish is brought to shore
• bring a fish ashore and remove its skin and return the fish to the boat
• divide a fish into portions other than in a way that allows an inspector to easily count the number of fish possessed by the fisher
• possess a dead Spanish mackerel unless a pectoral fin has been removed from the fish.

So from this if the fish he is using for bait is not a coral reef fin fish then as long as the skin is left on the fillet does not need to be 40cm long. So if using tailor or whiting with skin on then he should be ok. They would count in any bag limit though.

[Wahoo]

a few months ago we were pulled up, the guy jumped on board and checked all the saftey gear, i had a coral trout fillet on the bait board, would of been about 35cm in length, he asked if it was any good for bait, we chatted a while and all was good,


Daz

[hodges4]

If your concerned, why not send an email to Fisheries.
I've done it before and always received a reply.
Better to know the rules and keep a printout of their response.

John

[FNQCairns]

a few months ago we were pulled up, the guy jumped on board and checked all the saftey gear, i had a coral trout fillet on the bait board, would of been about 35cm in length, he asked if it was any good for bait, we chatted a while and all was good,


Daz

Did you have the frame still daz? you can cut up any legal fish for bait but must keep the frame and it counts. The rules regarding this is obscure for some reason, not fully up on the in and out of them.



Overall it's the same as driving on bald tyres, headlight out, speeding...do you feel lucky punk! Anyone who thinks generosity of human spirit or fairness is the the first order of business here , also believes in carma or crystal balls.

cheers fnq

[Wahoo]

Did you have the frame still daz? you can cut up any legal fish for bait but must keep the frame and it counts. The rules regarding this is obscure for some reason, not fully up on the in and out of them.



Overall it's the same as driving on bald tyres, headlight out, speeding...do you feel lucky punk! Anyone who thinks generosity of human spirit or fairness is the the first order of business here , also believes in carma or crystal balls.

cheers fnq

yes Scott, it was an trout with freezer burn, i did'nt want to eat it so i used it as bait, the other half was still in the esky 1/2 frozen, the guys were cool as, he more keen on the 4212, spent more time with this than anything..lol

Daz

[nickstock]

I thought that he would of picked you up on that Daz as for some stupid reason the laws state that once you have brought a coral fin fish ashore or into port, you are not allowed to head back out to sea with that fish/es on board.

I think if you are polite and don't seem to stressed we will be sweet.

[oldboot]

From what I have read in the act, the one allowed fish being processed for bait does not count in your bag limit and there is no requirement to keep the frame.

My thaughts are that the one fish is assumed to be consumed as bait.....not the wording is "being processed for bait"..... not kept for bait.... or..... or ..... whatever.

once a fish is consumed either for bait or by eating it no longer counts in your bag limit, because it is gone and not in possession.

the only way I would be filleting a fish ( unless processing for bait) would be if I was going to eat it aboard and straight away........thus covered by the " for immediate consumption" provisions.

Now as for the coral trout
As long as that was baught aboard the boat either whole or gilled and gutted and it was legal size you would have no problem.....BUT if it was fillets.... you are gone... because the fish was taken ashore filleted and returned to the boat and it was coral reef fin fish.

cheers

[oldboot]

While I am at it.

one of the fiddly parts of this in possesion is fish frames.

There seems to be no allowance ( that I can find) for keeping fish frames.

so if you have the frame of a fish it is counted as being a fish and counts to your bag limit.

In the past many of s would have a freezer full of frames for use in the crab pots.

My sisters husband at one time would have had 40 or 50 frames in the frezzer....he never threw anything out..... he even made sure the scales went in the garden.

But my understanding is that all of those would now count to the bag limit.



One has to be realy carefull about taking advice from government departments these days..........unless it has the status of an official ruleing.....there will almost certainly be some sort of disclaimer either attached or implied.......this realy pisses me off but it seem government isn't prepraed to stand behind advice given by its employees.

cheers