My brother regularly purchases fish fillets from his fish shop, and uses these as bait.
If he were to get inspected, technically he would be in the wrong, with returning these fillets to his boat.Anyone got any thoughts on this?. I dont think you could explain it away.
David
If he had a receipt onboard to show them, would this suffice?????
Mike
Mike, its an interesting call,but I think you could still get shafted.
David
I would say that the skin would need to be on for ID purposes and then would need a receipt as Mike said. I have found having a chat to a "good" fisheries officer a good way to get info on this sort of thing.
Cheers
Dan
After my last post I was think what happens if you havea filleted fish sitting on the bait board that you caught and are now using for bait? may have to be a little more careful in the furture with that one also.
Cheers
Dan
I think this is really trying to pick apart the regs. You would think that a DPI officer with half a brain would be smart enough to realise that the fillets were bought for bait.
But again its splitting hairs trying to dissect the regs so closely.
Are you likely to go over the limit for mullet fillets anyway?
Technically I think that most bait fillets are too small to meet the regs anyway.
I think that fillets purchased for the specific intention of using as bait would probably not count and that you would have an excellent case to tell them to blow it out their kazoo if they decided to ping you.
David,
I think that in most cases common sense would prevail. If treated fairly most officers would most likely give you a warning. If you had purchases mullet fillets for bait, then in most cases I think proof would be in the packaging and receipt. If it were some other fish it would have to have its skin and scales still attached (mullet included) so that the DPI officer could identify it as not being a regulated species..
Whilst I understand the below link is a guide only I reckon if you had a copy of it with you, and your 'bait' was legit then it could be easily explained away.
However, and I stress however, if you follow to the letter of what is stated (by my interpretation) then any 'mullet' fillets less than 40cm in length would be outside what is acceptable.
Recreational fishing rules and regulations for Queensland
A brief guide
March 2009
http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/documents/Fisheries_RecreationalFishing/RecFishing-RegsGuide.pdf
Skin, fillet and pectoral fin removal
In relation to coral reef fin fish, a recreational fisher:
• must not possess on board a boat a fish other than in any of the following forms—whole, gilled, gutted or filleted
• may possess on board a boat a fillet of a fish other than a blue spotted coral trout (Chinese footballer) as long as the length of the fillet is at least 40 cm, and the skin and scales of the fillet are attached to the fillet
• must not return fish to a boat that have been taken ashore from a boat and filleted, unless the length of the fillet is at least 40 cm and the skin of the fillet is attached to the fillet
• must not possess a dead coral reef fin fish unless a pectoral fin has been removed from the fish
(my interpretation here is that it is legal to use a regulated fish as 'bait' but the pectoral fin must be removed and must be of legal size. It would also be counted towards your bag limit).
or
• must not possess a live coral reef fin fish unless the person or fisher intends to immediately return the fish to the sea or to display the fish in an aquarium.
In relation to fin fish (other than coral reef fin fish) a recreational fisher must not:
• remove the skin from a fish on a boat until the fish is brought to shore
• bring a fish ashore and remove its skin and return the fish to the boat
• divide a fish into portions other than in a way that allows an inspector to easily count the number of fish possessed by the fisher
• possess a dead Spanish mackerel unless a pectoral fin has been removed from the fish.
Note: For information applying to recreational fishers on commercial fishing tours, consult the fisheries legislation at www.legislation.qld.gov.au
Hope this helps
Shane
Shane,I like to use whiting fillets for bait sometimes. Where can I get some OVER 40 cm to put in my bait esky?
It is surely not a fillet you have taken from a boat but rather purchased retail for the purpose of using as bait , or for that matter consumption on your vessel. I cant see that the regs could possibly apply.
Brendan
since when did 'common sense' become 'common' when dealing with government departments.
There are a few good ones in there....but the majority seem to be cowboys looking to add notches to there belt. Almost reminds me of books I have read re the attitude of quasi government officials in Nazi Germany of the 1930's and 40's. Does it sound like typical Labour/Union tactics.....you bet.
By the book, if your fillets aren't 40cm, you are in the poo. Period. This is where the attitude test will really kick in. Treat Fisheries with respect, you'll be fine. Be a jerk, you'll get what's coming, without the common sense.
Having a receipt for the fillets won't work either. Prove the receipt is for those fish? You can't.
I've never had my bait checked. But I'm sure they would view a frozen or a "non food grade" packaged bag of fresh mullet or whiting to be no problem, IF YOU PASS THE ATTITUDE TEST!
Cheers,
Tim
Carbon Really Ain't Pollution.
Timi is right, unless you are a goose and a smart arse, then I would reckon Fisheries guys/girls would not even bother to give you a warning about having Fillets for bait, if you want to go nit picking, then what about crab pot bait? it has been cleaned/filleted/cut up, to use in the trap, we and them must use "common" sense!
Agree wholeheartedly,
Although not gauranteed, if you treat them with respect they will return likewise.
I only posted that page of info as it is straight from the regs. I haven't found anywhere else in it that quotes anything about 'bait', what constitutes 'bait' and it's requirements.
Tenzing, if I had whiting fillets over 40 they wouldn't be going on a hook. Their heads maybe but not that yummy flesh.
Yeah, you can bet they wouldnt be going on mine either!Originally Posted by CreelReaper
Agree wholeheartedly,
Although not gauranteed, if you treat them with respect they will return likewise.
I only posted that page of info as it is straight from the regs. I haven't found anywhere else in it that quotes anything about 'bait', what constitutes 'bait' and it's requirements.
Tenzing, if I had whiting fillets over 40 they wouldn't be going on a hook. Their heads maybe but not that yummy flesh.
Tim, in my brothers case, they are eating type fillets from the fish shop, not actually bait fillets, but he uses them as bait.Can include Tailor, whiting etc
David
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