Still want to fish in a green zone....Maybe you can

[Nanny King NQ]

The main reason I want the Labour Government out is due to Defence, my bread and butter to put food on the table. We are still waiting for for the free health and dental care for our families, a promise that Rudd made, and what about the troops being pulled out of Iraq, they are still there.

I hope we all have a win with the green zones but it something I think we will ahave to live with. I hope for all our sakes that no one gets caught fishing in them, as they could loose more than they think, as we all know fih shrink over time, fish in or near a green zone it gives them an excuse to pull you up and and measure all your catch.

[CreelReaper]

The problem with that thinking Rodfishing is that the "locals" will only get peeved. How would you feel if the areas you fish now are suddenly overpopulated by fishers from other areas.
Do you get over it and just move further afield and explore new horizons?? Maybe maybe not, but what is left???? Nothing but zones.
The one major issue for me to arise from these zonings is what the added pressure will do to the areas that are not zoned.
There is not sufficient science to indicate definitively that the overall increase in biomass will take up this extra pressure.

Cheers

Shane

[Scott nthQld]

The problem with that thinking Rodfishing is that the "locals" will only get peeved. How would you feel if the areas you fish now are suddenly overpopulated by fishers from other areas.
Do you get over it and just move further afield and explore new horizons?? Maybe maybe not, but what is left???? Nothing but zones.
The one major issue for me to arise from these zonings is what the added pressure will do to the areas that are not zoned.
There is not sufficient science to indicate definitively that the overall increase in biomass will take up this extra pressure.

Cheers

Shane

Shane, the point that Rod is trying to make is that the green zones will be there to stay, no matter what the LNP or anyone else promises.

We've lost vast amounts of our productive grounds due to green zones and yet we still manage quite well, why? Because we bit the bullet, spent a bit extra on fuel to find new ground.

Many seem to be of the assumption that besides the main reefs and shoaly ground the rest is nothing but barron landscape. Load of BS if I've ever heard one. many of the most productive spots in NQ are away from the reefs, on isolated shoals/rocks/old wrecks that most people drive straight over on their way to the reef proper. Many of these areas were missed during the zoning simply because no one knew they existed.

This 16% might make up the majority of well known fishing spots, but spend a bit extra on fuel, buy a couple of lures and troll all around the bay, you will be surprised what you will find that no one else knows about.

16% is small scale compared to what we copped, yet by going back and searching through old threads when the GBR zoning was first being 'talked' about, the concensus among most of the SEQ members was oh well, who cares 33%isn't that much, live with it.

[oldboot]

You still have a bad taste in your mouth over the GBRMP.. that is obvious.

Consider that the GBRMP is a very large area and comprised of hundreds of reefs and islands spread over nearly 1000Km of coast line.
Up there you have a considerably better range of options... and you have a considerably easer time of it moving arround.

In moreton bay we have two or three major islands enclosing the bay ( depending on how you count strady, about a dozen proper smaller islands, scattered sections of reef and definitely very large sections of featureless sand and mud bottom that have been scraped flat by decades of trawling and dredging for sand fill.

It is a realistic aprasial that far more than 16% of the fishable ground has been consumed in green zones and with that large chunks of the safely accessable areas. Some estimate up to 50% of our fishable and productive area has been closed off.


One of the biggest beefs on an environmental basis is the increased environmental impact of the need for much larger boats and much higher fuel consumption required to fish the so called new grounds.


cheers

[STUIE63]

You still have a bad taste in your mouth over the GBRMP.. that is obvious.

Consider that the GBRMP is a very large area and comprised of hundreds of reefs and islands spread over nearly 1000Km of coast line.
Up there you have a considerably better range of options... and you have a considerably easer time of it moving arround.

In moreton bay we have two or three major islands enclosing the bay ( depending on how you count strady, about a dozen proper smaller islands, scattered sections of reef and definitely very large sections of featureless sand and mud bottom that have been scraped flat by decades of trawling and dredging for sand fill.

It is a realistic aprasial that far more than 16% of the fishable ground has been consumed in green zones and with that large chunks of the safely accessable areas. Some estimate up to 50% of our fishable and productive area has been closed off.


One of the biggest beefs on an environmental basis is the increased environmental impact of the need for much larger boats and much higher fuel consumption required to fish the so called new grounds.


cheers

Yeah well what do you really think our 30% is ,overall it is probably 50-60% of fishable grounds if you blokes want to fight go for it but up north we are over it we felt extremely let down by fellow fisherman at the time my only advice to you blokes is to tell them nothing
Stuie

[Scott nthQld]

You still have a bad taste in your mouth over the GBRMP.. that is obvious.

Consider that the GBRMP is a very large area and comprised of hundreds of reefs and islands spread over nearly 1000Km of coast line.
Up there you have a considerably better range of options... and you have a considerably easer time of it moving arround.

In moreton bay we have two or three major islands enclosing the bay ( depending on how you count strady, about a dozen proper smaller islands, scattered sections of reef and definitely very large sections of featureless sand and mud bottom that have been scraped flat by decades of trawling and dredging for sand fill.

It is a realistic aprasial that far more than 16% of the fishable ground has been consumed in green zones and with that large chunks of the safely accessable areas. Some estimate up to 50% of our fishable and productive area has been closed off.


One of the biggest beefs on an environmental basis is the increased environmental impact of the need for much larger boats and much higher fuel consumption required to fish the so called new grounds.


cheers

As to your first comment, I didn't until so many gripes started coming out of SEQ about the lack of assistance from outside of Moreton, as I've explained in the other thread you started. For example the farce of NQ members being banned because they simply didn't share the sentiment of SEQ members and told you how it is. I'm tired of hearing of how much more worse off SEQ is than anywhere else because of the closures.

Yes, the GBR is a much more vast area, but lets work it out shall we. The gBR covers approximately 344400 square km and we now have 33% of whihc is now green zone. So now we have 113652 sqkm of green zones. All of which are in productive areas of shoal, rubble and reef, unlike some zones in Moreton Bay which are, as you and others have said is over nothing but sand with no fish excluding passing pelagics. Now lets look at Moreton Bay, which covers 1000 sqkm, 16% of which is now green zone which gives you 160sqkm of green zones. Wow, would you look at that, only113492 sqkm to go to have the same closures as we do. As for your islands comment, well, there are literally thousands of island throughout the GBR, so make from that what you like.

Don't forget that we too were slumped with dodgy science models from other parts of the world, so don't play that card either.

Also everybodies main gripe is that the "science" is all based on estimates etc plucked out of someone's ass, and yet you seem to pluck a figure out of your too, saying that some ESTIMATE that 50% of fishable ground is now off limits.

Considering there are far more vast amounts of featureless sand on the GBR, that is also a farcical argument on why SEQ is so much more worse off then those on the GBR.


That aside, those of you who will be stuck with the green zones, fire up the boat with and extra jerry, a couple of mackeral lures and troll to your hearts content (outside the green zones) to find new ground, we had to, and I think we've adapted quite well.

[TimiBoy]

Guys there's been a lot of argy bargy in the past, I wasn't around, so I never saw it.

What I do know is that what happened on GBRMPA sucked and what's happening in Moreton sucks.

SOBA, in similar fashion to EcoFishers NSW, intends to grow it's support base and influence so that it can serve ALL Qld. That's a fair task, but it's the plan. From there, we will partner with other State organisations on National issues, such as the GBR.

There are fledgling groups in every State. There's quite a bit of contact flying back and forth, and things are developing. Sure, just a ripple, but I reckon one day it'll be a Greenie drowning flood!

To that end, a lot of the energy up North will need to be harnessed. Those guys who have the stomach for it will need to be thinking about how to get involved, because there is no way in hell we can do it all from down here. Let's get together and start whipping these bastards, rather than each other?

Cheers,

Tim

[STUIE63]

Tim I don't want to pick a fight but why is the GBR a national issue and moreton bay or east coast NSW or south coast SA not a national issue
what give southerners the right to say it is a national ISSUE
Stuie

[TimiBoy]

Tim I don't want to pick a fight but why is the GBR a national issue and moreton bay or east coast NSW or south coast SA not a national issue
what give southerners the right to say it is a national ISSUE
Stuie

Fair question. GBR is a World Heritage issue, and run by the Federal Government. Something along those lines, anyway. So it's presided over by Mr. Torpedo Head.

The other issues are dealt with under State Law, hence their being political footies at the State level.

My reasoning is simply that with a Federal Issue, Federal support will be useful because pollies all over the Country will know about it, but with a State issue, other States won't be a fig's worth of help.

Hope that clears it up,

Cheers,

Tim

[oldboot]

We need to remember, that fisheries management and fisheries lobbying are both national issues regardles of where the foolishness is happening.

The whole thing is a national issue because the campaign by the so called green side of polotics is very much a national campaign.

All over the country the issues are the same regardless of who's jurisdiction it is.

We need a national campaign for for fisheries and environment management on the basis of merit and not for the purpose of green empire building.

cheers

[Chris Ryan]

The GBRMP is indeed a Federal Act and yes the fisho's up north got shafted royally not just once either! This was done on Federal Level AND a State Level when Peter "sneaky" Beattie put in complimentary closures along with what became GBRMPA.

We can't change what is done, whatwe can do is influence the reporting, monitoring and scientific work being done to show how the zoning is working or not. We can influence the water borne pollution killing habitats by pressuring governments at all level to face up to their mess, we can influence the plans to increase zoning in stopping further pains.

We can still work together and I firmly believe combining our State together under a single banner will be beneficial to all fishos in QLD. I don't think is a pipe dream otherwise those before me/us worked so hard in AFLP, TFPQ etc etc would have been in vain and I don't think those people deserve that.

Cheers,
Chris

[oldboot]

Certainly no pipe dream.

An indeed we cant do much about what has been done.... but we can certainly have a crack at what will be done.

Keep kicking brother.

cheers

[Nanny King NQ]

Certainly no pipe dream.

An indeed we cant do much about what has been done.... but we can certainly have a crack at what will be done.

Keep kicking brother.

cheers

I dont know, and call me nieve if you want but have the green zone laws been passed.

[PinHead]

I dont know, and call me nieve if you want but have the green zone laws been passed.

laws can be easily changed or rescinded...Work Choices is a good example of that happening

[TimiBoy]

laws can be easily changed or rescinded...Work Choices is a good example of that happening

And that is particularly so when the basis for the Laws is found to be flawed. Yes there will be Green Zones, but where they are, and what will be permitted in them will likely be modified if the LNP win power.

Note that this will not affect the majority of the GBRMPA zones, although I'm sure that any state zones up there will be reviewed given the proper pressure.

Interesting to note that Labor's changes to Work Choices keep getting watered down...

Cheers,

Tim