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    Wellington point reserve master plan

    Ron Mole has ask me to bring this up. please read Ron's comments and if you can help or have any ideas how we can get more support to stop this please ring Ron on the number below.

    I have set up a E Petition. Please sign it if you can Thanks
    http://www.gopetition.com/online/24197.html

    Regards
    Shane Boese


    "Hi there, i hate having to write about this stuff but somebody has to do it. The Wellington point reserve master plan has floated to the surface again. Once again the Redlands shire council parks management team are up to their old tricks. Those of you that have been around for awhile will remember the garbage that they tried last time with the help of some well heeled close by residents and a councillor willing to do their bidding. This involved gating off the reserve and boat ramp at night and cutting trailer parking in half along with a heap of other moves to make it hard for people even without boats to use the park. Once people found out what they were up to the public outcry was huge and the plan was stopped. The management team came back with another plan while not as bad as the first was still bad. They tried to get it rushed through council before an upcoming local government election. But a small group of fishoes including myself had several “heated” meetings with the management team and the councillor involved to get the vote on the plan deferred to after the election. At these meetings the parks management team made it quite clear that they were anti fishing and anti boating and they said that eventually they would like the boat ramps and car parking removed from the reserve as it is an eyesore and spoils the ,weasel word warning, “amenity” of the area. They had conducted a survey of park users on two days with absolutely foul weather and asked them if they thought that the trailer parking was adequate, of course the parks were empty so the non boaters agreed that it was. No boaties were surveyed. They also put up two plans for public consultation one in side the council office where it would not be seen by any body working normal hours. The other one was hidden inside on the back wall of the restaurant at the point. They also conducted two meetings one an invite only affair for a few very close by residents and the other for Wellington point business owners. The plan was deferred to after the election and the councillor involved was booted out of office. The incoming councillor, who largely got there on this issue, vowed never to let this plan go through council. Sometime before the last local govt election the plan was put before the council with out warning and the councillor got the plan voted through. Once again this was done very quietly with no chance for us to object. One can only speculate on the reasons behind the councillor getting this plan through when he knew the majority of people didn’t want it but from where i sit it all looked pretty shonky. You may remember an article i did on this subject at the time. Not long after that we had another council election and this bloke was also bundled out no doubt with a fair push from disgruntled local boaties. Well now the council are going to start work on this plan early in the New Year. I contacted the current division 1 councillor Wendy Boglary and found that she new nothing about the history of this fiasco. When she went to the park management team they lied to her that they had consulted with the local boaties and the plan was all right by them. When she tried to get a look at the plan they gave her the run around and tried to avoid giving it to her. Most of you will not have seen this plan so i will try to explain some of the points that will adversely affect us. First up traffic flow is to be reversed and any cars entering the reserve will have to travel past the ramp to get out again. This, in their words, is to remove dead zones in the park to prevent hooning. We’ve been down this hooning road with these clowns before as this is the excuse that they trot out to try to justify this sort of work. The only thing that is ever going to work down there is an increase in police patrols. You can imagine the hassles that redirecting all the traffic past the ramp is going to cause particularly on busy weekends. Another genius idea is to remove the trailer parking bays to the right of the ramp and replacing them with ordinary car parks and picnic tables. This area will also have a foot path cycle path that will run straight across the top of the ramp. Now stop and have a think about this, people and there kids are going to park in these spots and sooner or later they are going to want to go out on the jetty or walk round the reserve. So now you have a busy foot path leading heaps of people many of them children straight across the path of people reversing boats on trailers with very limited visibility. To make it worse the boats have got to be reversed quicker than normal to dodge the artificially increased traffic flow. When the first kiddie is run over i hope that the people responsible for this plan names and addresses will be supplied to the grieving parents. The trouble is this situation will be twisted around and somehow it will become the boaties fault. But wait just like a demtel ad there’s more. The approaches either side of the ramp are to be narrowed down so that more garden beds can be created. This will also make it harder to manoeuvre trailers and space that is now used by boaties to untie when the tie down area is full up will no longer exist. The actual tie down area is to set at some sort of angle to the ramp although i haven’t seen what they are actually doing there as the engineering drawings are apparently different to the plan that was given to Wendy Boglary and they have been reluctant to give her a copy. The small southern ramp that is used by sail boarders, kyakers ect is to be closed off to the road. Up at the northern end the parks that are on the corner facing north will be removed to make way for more garden beds. What can we do to stop this from going ahead? I can’t see why this plan couldn’t be taken back to council and cancelled by a vote of the councillors. Who is supposed to be running the council? The elected councillors or the faceless team in park management. Two councillors have already been voted out, one in particular as a direct result of the public backlash over this issue. The same park management team are still there safe from voter anger and they are still pushing their anti boating agenda. The first thing you can do is to go and have a look at the plan, Graham Day at Wellington point marine has a copy that i left there. This copy doesn’t show the altered tie down area though. Next move is to tell all your friends that use the ramp and spread the word through the popular web sites. Contact Wendy Boglary 0408 543 583 or 38298619 wendy.boglary@redland.qld.gov.au and tell her what you think about the plan. I am going to try to organize a protest meeting but have been having trouble posting on the two local popular web sites. We can win this fight but we will need the numbers. Any body wanting more info or willing to help can contact me on 38229703."
    Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent genius will not; un-rewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone is omnipotent."

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    Thanks Shane.

    Well, Ron has certainly got a dilemma on his hands.

    It appears that any plans have no forethought or planning and are just there to create problems or to appease a minority.

    Support will be coming your way.

    Phill
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    I hear from reliable sources that this issue is now well and truly on the agenda of relevant senior people in the Council courtesy of Ron's article in Bush-n-Beach.

    The current design, I'm told, is simply a product of a designer apparently who has no practical knowledge or understanding of the logistics of backing boat trailers. Those who do have this knowledge have made and are making the designer very aware of the design's shortcomings, and doing so in no uncertain terms!!

    Good work Ron for bringing this up. Good work by Cr Boglary for having the tenacity to keep on until someone listened!

    Watch this space, but I am assured it will be sorted very quickly in the new year.
    ML

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    sent an email to Cr Boglary today.
    ta

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    just a thought - if expanding the number of parking bays for visitors is the main goal of this looney idea, I've never seen the bays full at Wello - why not shave off a few, and reconfigure a 'dead end' to divert traffic around the ramp area?

    I'm sure some bays can be taken, and we can still keep the ramp etc.
    could be a win win

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    http://www.redland.qld.gov.au/SiteCo...erPlan2006.pdf

    plan can be seen here - i agree that the suggested plan is flawed in many ways.
    it is crazy that the bike path/walkway cuts right across the top of the ramp!!! I mean thats just plain dangerous

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    maybe fixing the lead lights and jetty light first would be a good idea

    awesome having to be using a torch to find the lead markers on dark nights

    some people in council cant see s@it even though there head is in the right place

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    Email sent to Wendy and I signed the e-petition. Come on guys and gals, if we do not act on this we could likely use Wello as a place to launch our boats from.

    There were 4 responses to the e-petition when I finished mine. We need the numbers to show Wendy and the others that this is worth fighting for.
    Maybe Phill and Chris can get a link onto saveourbay as well to help spread the word???

    Shane

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    sorry double post.....

    Shane

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    The map at the link above is the original concept plan when the plan went out for public consultation and is not the version that Ron is talking about.

    I understand that when the project moves to construction phase, the concept has to be turned into a detailed construction plan.

    Although there may be other issues with what's being proposed, the biggest concern with the latest construction plan version is with the boat preparation area near the ramp.

    What's happened with the construction drawings (which are not yet approved I'm told) is that the area opposite the ramp (the preparation area) where you stop to get your boat ready to launch has been changed: from being straight-on to the ramp which allows you to get your boat ready then back straight down the ramp, to a situation where it is set at the same angle as the car/trailer parking bays!!!

    What that means is that you'll park at something like a 30deg angle to get your boat ready, and will then have to try to straighten up and back down the ramp.
    This will be impossible to do if there is more than 1 car/trailer there at the same time!

    Also, when you retrieve your boat and need to get it ready to tow home (tie downs, ariels, canopies, motor support, lights etc) you will not be able to drive straight up the ramp and into the preparation area because this silly angle will prevent you from doing that without wiping out anyone else who has a boat stopped there doing the same thing.

    Its just a plain silly design that seems to aim to maximise parking bays, but does so at the total expense of useability. It might look good on a plan to the uneducated but has clearly been done by someone who hasn't ever backed a trailer at a boat ramp.

    The problems with this proposal have now been brought to the attention of the designer by senior Council people who DO know what backing a boat trailer is like and what is required, so should hopefully it should be rectified before being signed off.

    ML

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonlighter View Post
    The map at the link above is the original concept plan when the plan went out for public consultation and is not the version that Ron is talking about.

    I understand that when the project moves to construction phase, the concept has to be turned into a detailed construction plan.

    Although there may be other issues with what's being proposed, the biggest concern with the latest construction plan version is with the boat preparation area near the ramp.

    What's happened with the construction drawings (which are not yet approved I'm told) is that the area opposite the ramp (the preparation area) where you stop to get your boat ready to launch has been changed: from being straight-on to the ramp which allows you to get your boat ready then back straight down the ramp, to a situation where it is set at the same angle as the car/trailer parking bays!!!

    What that means is that you'll park at something like a 30deg angle to get your boat ready, and will then have to try to straighten up and back down the ramp.
    This will be impossible to do if there is more than 1 car/trailer there at the same time!

    Also, when you retrieve your boat and need to get it ready to tow home (tie downs, ariels, canopies, motor support, lights etc) you will not be able to drive straight up the ramp and into the preparation area because this silly angle will prevent you from doing that without wiping out anyone else who has a boat stopped there doing the same thing.

    Its just a plain silly design that seems to aim to maximise parking bays, but does so at the total expense of useability. It might look good on a plan to the uneducated but has clearly been done by someone who hasn't ever backed a trailer at a boat ramp.

    The problems with this proposal have now been brought to the attention of the designer by senior Council people who DO know what backing a boat trailer is like and what is required, so should hopefully it should be rectified before being signed off.

    ML
    thanks ML - are you saying there's no need for concern re the whole plan, as Council are making the necessary obvious changes to the flawed plan?

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    I am referring to the big issue relating to the boat prep area adjacent to the ramp. Tthe whole plan is another issue, however the boat prep area is one issue that is black and white - just won't work as it is currently drawn and I'm pretty confident that this particular issue will be sorted with input from a number of experienced senior boating people in Council.

    The other issues Ron raised in his article are concerning athough less cut and dried I think.

    The main other one is that as he points out it seems that all traffic using the eastern end of the park will be routed past the boat ramp in an anti-clocvkwise direction (ie the "wrong" way - you will turn right rather than keeping left which is the more natural way to go) and I do worry about the effect on traffic flow and safety. I did check out the radius of turns and the room allowed is comparible to other ramps so should be OK.

    If you have a suggested solution to any of the other issues it would be useful to send them to Cr Boglary. I've had a chat with her about this isue and she understands boaties concerns (her Dad was a keen fish who regularly used this ramp) and genuinely wants a solution that will work for everyone, in a real practical and safe way, so she needs our assistance, not brickbats.

    ML

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    Yep Moonlighter agree totally, the main one for us boaties is the design of the tie down areas (assuming that we do not totally lose it in time). I have seen the many changes that Wello has had over 20 odd years of using that ramp and the many mishaps that do occasionally occur.
    I sent my submission to Wendy and suggested that there be a segragation of the boaties area to the general public. Sure allow pedestrain passage along defined paths to the jetty etc but to actually stop non towing vehicles into the boaties 'area'. I also suggested that they keep the other smaller ramp to the north of the jetty, upgrade it and also add a tie down area for that ramp. Keep the number of trailer parks and for the hoons there could be additional traffic calming devices placed to stop this sort of activity.
    I pointed out to her that if a risk assessment of the proposed changes were to be completed by a relevantly qualified person the changes would have been quashed.
    Cheers

    Shane

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    Hey all,
    I sent an email to Councilor Wendy Boglary submitting my objections yesterday. She has replied today (Sunday) and has assured me that she is aware of the problems and is awaiting word back from the designers after several discussions with officers.
    Wendy also assures me that she is a nagging voice for us all and thanked me for my email as it gives her support.

    I would strongly urge everybody to do the same so that she has a good number of responses/objections to use as a public backup in her dealings.

    Cheers

    Shane

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    After doing a little more digging I have found an expired Invitation to Tender for 333m of Panel Seawall and foreshore stairs construction. The tender closed on 2nd December 2008. I can't find out any more info on this....does anybody know what or where within the Wellington Point reserve it is planned for????
    http://www.redland.qld.gov.au/NewsEv...s/default.aspx

    Maybe another email to Councillor Wendy might be in order.

    Shane

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