IBD meets ABT (Teemburra)

[Tropicaltrout]

I this case mate you have a point and it may be valid but as you said you fish with fairly heavy line as do I when targeting the more larger of the Freshwater speiceis....

To fish for Barra with 1kg line for a record yes it can be and you would do it but in a area where the structure is alot less and I can give the fish the authority it deserves and as you will see with the line class goes up so does the weight of the fish I tell you now a fish in excess of 20kg in which alot of these fish are comming out of these dams now are I very much dobt it. and to tell you the truth I would never think to try it, I would say if you hooked it in the basin and were prepared to fight the fish to the death which is not sport IMHO thats torture to the fish and dont forget tothrow in plenty of luck....

Light hook setting are yes some times the best as they seem to result in the corner mouth hook ups yet with a Barra the lighter the hook set the more time he has to regurgitate or exhale the lure or SP which result in a slack line and no joy. So in answer to the scenario light hook setting are away of doing it not the best way but away all the same.

As for trout totally different fight one a trout is a far more verosous attacker of the lure or fly. A trout attacking the lure they are on the turn, which is why they are hooked throught there mouths and never really swallow a lure, not ruling it out it will happen on the occassion.Trout have the teeth they hit to imobilise first ( when attacking a Galaxia or other bait etc) you would notice that offten when casting or trolling a lure for trout they offten hit twice before connection. Where fly hook ups are sometimes inhailed mostly those from the surface. So in short yes most trout hook sets are in the mouth area or scissors if you like. They leap out of the water and flip etc but yeah they fight a whole lot different

Maybe from looking at a dvd of barra you may think they fight simular but I have caught hundreds of trout and plenty of barra through my years and there's no comparrison in fighting tactics. If you want a simular fish to that of a trout a Saratoga but yeah not a barra at all.



Anyhow thats my go

To NAGG mate as said top effort in new water, I seen the prossy thread and yeah it's tuff up there I have fished it and man it's a intimmerdating? body of water...

Cheers Nath

[NAGG]

Gee ..... I missed a lot of this today!
2 Many ....... Go have a fish for impoundment barra before you make any comparison between barra & cod.

The first thing you will learn is that barra inhale / exhale at an incredible speed (0.4 seconds or something) so hookset is reactionary when casting lures ( trolling & baitfishing aside) ........
Their mouths are armour plated (most of us use ultra sharp hooks) ...... & still fail to connect
Those rapid head shakes have the ability to rip multi hooks out of their mouths , jaw or head in a blink of an eye.
Their choice of environment usually sees them close to some form of cover & they know how to use it!

As far as fishing light for barra ........ we cant troll in the ABT People like David Green & his young bloke pursue records on ultra light tackle - - but by Trolling !!!!!
I managed a few good barra on the Southern tour on bass gear ....... & trust me you rely as much on luck as you do skill ........... I also was blown away twice

Chris

[NAGG]

Unfortunately Dick the difference between computers/forums & reality is that we can't see people faces or look into there eyes.

If it were possible perhaps the bedside manner would be taken differently. Unfortunately we can't & aren't all literary scholars.

Trout will do the same as Barra regarding external hooking via face slapping.

I find it rather odd that the percentage of hook ups per fish landed from some anglers here is very low.

This is what sparked my original comment along with another comment of "throwing lures being the norm"

If I put clients onto good trout day after day teaching them a way to fish that sees even 20% of fish throwing lures I would be asking myself some very serious questions. The same with Cod although they don't jump.

I however do not have this problem of fish dislodging hooks.

I'm merely passing onto others what I have experienced & learnt over 4+ decades of angling. You don't need to have caught a particular species to see something isn't quite right, after all there are a lot of species with much harder mouths that take lures & will leap more than Barra. Many of these I have caught.

Some can't see the forrest for the trees & don't want too.

Now having read this ........ I really can see where you are coming from ...... & its not in our world
2 Many ....... I too am a trout fishoe (fly & lure) and to hear your criticism of thrown lures is intriguing - Mate there is no comparison ... dont even use it in the same paragraph! Trout may swipe at a lure (reaction bite) but generally take a fly on the rise with a deliberate take ....... It can seem like slow motion on a dry..... Hinge hook ups are the norm
When a trout jumps ...... & as you would be aware usually only a rainbow trout does ........ there is nothing that can cut the line or leader (unlike a barra that can slice 80lb FC leader)
I can tell you straight up ..... with trout - I would land 80-90% of hooked fish & have never straightened a treble or fly hook! Barra would be 30% of hooked fish & 20-25% of bites ......... worn leaders , straighted hooks & spat lures are par for course

So seeing you compare the two , clearly exhibits your lack of knowledge on the subject - sorry but these type of replies disrespect those that enjoy & cherish Australia's premier sport fish

Chris

[nipsta]

Now having read this ........ I really can see where you are coming from ...... & its not in our world
2 Many ....... I too am a trout fishoe (fly & lure) and to hear your criticism of thrown lures is intriguing - Mate there is no comparison ... dont even use it in the same paragraph! Trout may swipe at a lure (reaction bite) but generally take a fly on the rise with a deliberate take ....... It can seem like slow motion on a dry.
I can tell you straight up ..... with trout - I would land 80-90% of hooked fish & have never straightened a treble or fly hook! Barra would be 30% of hooked fish & 20-25% of bites ......... worn leaders , straighted hooks & spat lures are par for course

Chris

well said chris and well done on ya first attemp at a abt you did well for the level of competion and the fishing being as tough as it was cant wait to catch up again

[2manylures]

Now having read this ........ I really can see where you are coming from ...... & its not in our world
2 Many ....... I too am a trout fishoe (fly & lure) and to hear your criticism of thrown lures is intriguing - Mate there is no comparison ... dont even use it in the same paragraph! Trout may swipe at a lure (reaction bite) but generally take a fly on the rise with a deliberate take ....... It can seem like slow motion on a dry..... Hinge hook ups are the norm
When a trout jumps ...... & as you would be aware usually only a rainbow trout does ........ there is nothing that can cut the line or leader (unlike a barra that can slice 80lb FC leader)
I can tell you straight up ..... with trout - I would land 80-90% of hooked fish & have never straightened a treble or fly hook! Barra would be 30% of hooked fish & 20-25% of bites ......... worn leaders , straighted hooks & spat lures are par for course

So seeing you compare the two , clearly exhibits your lack of knowledge on the subject - sorry but these type of replies disrespect those that enjoy & cherish Australia's premier sport fish

Chris

Not for the 6 under golfers

You might get the big picture one day

NAH, too simple

[NAGG]

Not for the 6 under golfers

You might get the big picture one day

NAH, too simple

Even the 6 under golfers struggle against Tiger Woods

[Tropicaltrout]

Not for the 6 under golfers

You might get the big picture one day

NAH, too simple

Come on fella what in the world are you doing you had a go and made your point it got put into comparisson from those who have caught both and you failed to prove your point and were basically proved wrong, just leave it be move on.

This is a great forum set for those who love and enjoy fishing, opinions are made and discussed and questions are asked, If you wanted to make a point start a thread and ask the question that way there's no banter back and throw just a heap of replies hopefully giveing you the answer you want..... or do you have only one answer your own?

Mate there's nothing wrong with voicing your opinion and we all have done it from time to time, I think some of us wern't advocates for the ABT but at the end of the day it's a thing blokes do and report on and regardless of wether we like it or not senceless banter is not going to change anything, its an opinion and if you voice it try doing it with a bit of respect to those who you disagree with.

Why not come along to and M&G they are fun and you can meet all of those fellas and see them and dicuss stuff like this around a campfire with a beer... I think Borumba is the next one?

[NAGG]

Come on fella what in the world are you doing you had a go and made your point it got put into comparisson from those who have caught both and you failed to prove your point and were basically proved wrong, just leave it be move on.

This is a great forum set for those who love and enjoy fishing, opinions are made and discussed and questions are asked, If you wanted to make a point start a thread and ask the question that way there's no banter back and throw just a heap of replies hopefully giveing you the answer you want..... or do you have only one answer your own?

Mate there's nothing wrong with voicing your opinion and we all have done it from time to time, I think some of us wern't advocates for the ABT but at the end of the day it's a thing blokes do and report on and regardless of wether we like it or not senceless banter is not going to change anything, its an opinion and if you voice it try doing it with a bit of respect to those who you disagree with.

Why not come along to and M&G they are fun and you can meet all of those fellas and see them and dicuss stuff like this around a campfire with a beer... I think Borumba is the next one?

Nath ...... I cant understand how anyone can project such a strong opinion when they have never caught that species .......... i'm gobsmacked

I'm yet to find anyone that is blase about barra - once they have caught a good one mighty Whitey is a great example ...... someone that regularly fishes for Kingfish , marlin & yellowfin tuna - - - but give him the chance to fish for barra & he'll jump at the opportunity........ He wont put one over the other because they all present their own challenges..

Chris

[Tropicaltrout]

Yeah mate I hear you I fish offshore for a few years on a long liner and caught heaps of those you speak of but I can not shake the barra thing its a feeling all in itself....... anyhow the beauty of this thread is we have caught them... need I say more.

Nath

[Whitto]

AAAAhhhhhhhh!........The Serenity.....Now off to mow the lawn

[TinarooTriumph]

I too was gobsmacked NAGG with his left-field opinion, so a PM was sent on my behalf, and he seems to have turned into a church mouse since.

[NAGG]

I too was gobsmacked NAGG with his left-field opinion, so a PM was sent on my behalf, and he seems to have turned into a church mouse since.

I think most of us were gobsmacked ...... defending the undfendable!
I can understand why someone would question the amount of lost / missed barra if they had no experience ......... but as we know - Barra are easily missed (luring) , they throw lures like no bodies business ....... but comparing them to trout .......... Now if he said big Saratoga ....... Hmmm

Chris

PS ..... Hows the fishing been ?

[NAGG]

Yeah mate I hear you I fish offshore for a few years on a long liner and caught heaps of those you speak of but I can not shake the barra thing its a feeling all in itself....... anyhow the beauty of this thread is we have caught them... need I say more.

Nath

Nath ... too right ....... I did the offshore thing too but got over it ( still enjoyed it as an occasional thing....... but trolling or livebaiting is boring as - specially days on end - - - - cubing for YFT was OK)
I certainly dont think I could get sick of those barra ......... & particularly that initial hit on a cast lure

Chris

[TinarooTriumph]

Chriso

Hasn't been too bad of late. The Barra Bash hasn't slowed the fishing down like it has in the past but still a lot of casts to be put in for results. Got quite a few nice fish whilst the Tour was on but since then we have had some very inconsistent weather and tricky winds. Fished with Matt Sunday morning... just rats. He said he got a stack of them on Saturday (9 or 10). You can tell he missed Kim on the Tour... he even pulled the pin at 9:30am to go and help her pack up... the Barra were laughing at him.

Cheers

Theo

[nipsta]

seems like yous all scared him off i think he must be buy more lures and 1 kg line