High speed v Low speed for bottom bashing

[metaloid]

When you say that you generally use bigger reels, what sort of reels are you referring to or what is your reel of choice?

I have used the Daiwa SL 450H (low speed), Daiwa LD50H, the Shimano TSM4, the Penn 114H and now the Penn TRQ200.

The advantage of a bigger reel (eg. Penn 6/0 vs. Shimano TSM4) is that you retrieve the same amount of line per crank with a lower ratio, so basically you get the best of both worlds: high-speed + torque. Of course bigger means heavier too.

I have heard a lot of good things about Saltigas and Toriums, but atm I am very happy with my big truck (Penn TRQ200 + 50lbs).

[Fisher4life]

I have heard a lot of good things about Saltigas and Toriums, but atm I am very happy with my big truck (Penn TRQ200 + 50lbs).

And big arms.....

[griz066]

Why not try a 2 speed reel

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[griz066]

oops that didnt work oh well u get the gist try a TLD or Tiagra

[reggy]

If it`s a low speed reel you want, have a look at the PENN 330GT2
It has a better drag and a better anti reverse system than the torium or saltist(IMO), a stainless pinion gear,and is about half the price of the others.

I have one as my backup reel, but I love using the torium.
Reggy

[Noelm]

What the hell!! I just had a long post and it vanished, oh well, here goes the condensed version, the retrieve ratio of the reel does not play the most important part in keeping a Fish from getting to the bottom, drag, appropriate Rod and Angler skill come into play , lets look at a rather extreme example, you are Fishing in (say) 20 metres of water, you have out about 20 metres of line (more likely a tad less), now lets say we tie off that line to a Bollard, you hook a Fish, do you reckon it could make it to the Bottom?? Don’t think so! So in fact, the ratio has a bit to do with it, but not as much as you think, an Alvey, or the biggest game reel or highest retrieve reel will be equal to the task, high speed comes into play when Spinning, Jigging or using lighter line classes, low speeds come into their own when big Fish are down deep and need some pressure to move them, the added bonus is that when trolling and a fish is hooked, the other Rods can be cleared using the low speed to “winch” the gear in when big lures are used, while still in gear and moving forward where a high speed reel would be struggling at best, or crap out at worst!

[reggy]

i just lost my last post too!
anyway, most keepers in a catch of reefies are made up of trout, sweetlip,and various reds.
i think they are what the original question was about.
i have found that a good light 20kg carbon rod with 50lb braid just the tools for getting these species off the bottom.(without using the reel as a winch) after that, they come home without too much fuss.
now take fish like cobia ,tuna, big trevally, they fight every inch of the way.and can grow much bigger.
funny that these are the species that high speed reels like toriums,saltigas, torques etc, were made for.
does this not tell you something?

[Noelm]

yes, indeed, a high speed reel can be of great advantage when a Fish runs towards you, how often that happens though is debatable and is it often enough to buy a reel to counteract it? maybe! I have used and own both high speed, 2 speed and low speed ratios, would happily use either or all for most applications, except trolling as I mentioned way back, but as that is not in question here it is moot! use what you have, high or low, you will catch Fish, you will loose Fish, take it as it comes.

[TonyM]

I agree that a low speed is better for winding heavy lead back up from 100m to re-bait

Having said that I went for a high speed Saltist as I can use it for chucking poppers as well as jigging and bottom bashing

Ideally I'd like an outfit for each of those scenarios although I'm trying to focus on quality rather than quantity with my setups (still seem to have a fair few though!)

Cheers
Tony

[banshee]

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now take fish like cobia ,tuna, big trevally, they fight every inch of the way.and can grow much bigger.
funny that these are the species that high speed reels like toriums,saltigas, torques etc, were made for.
does this not tell you something?

Totaly dissagree,I put it to you that the speed these reels generate is there to initiate a strike in surface feeding pelagics when useing poppers and slugs/slices and has no bearing on improving the efficency of the reel once hooked up,I would also say that a high speed reel has no advantage what so ever when talking Cobia.Would be interesting to know how much line is retrieved per crank between the Saltist 40HS or the Torium/Trinidad.

[reggy]

I agree that a low speed is better for winding heavy lead back up from 100m to re-bait

Having said that I went for a high speed Saltist as I can use it for chucking poppers as well as jigging and bottom bashing

Ideally I'd like an outfit for each of those scenarios although I'm trying to focus on quality rather than quantity with my setups (still seem to have a fair few though!)

Cheers
Tony

i like high speed for bringing lead back up fast, but then i dont use a lot of lead with braid.

[finding_time]

the added bonus is that when trolling and a fish is hooked, the other Rods can be cleared using the low speed to “winch” the gear in when big lures are used, while still in gear and moving forward where a high speed reel would be struggling at best, or crap out at worst!

I assume your talking heavy tackle trolling Noel! Mate 6 to 1 on 8kg is fantasic both for getting the spread in quick and keep up with the lunatic on the sticks who is going backwards at the fish like there no tomorrow( The Faster you get that pin in the faster you can hook another )

Ian

[ozbee]

the bigger the reel barrel the better in over /heads i use tld20,25 which are okay but you will do a lot better with barrels about twice that size you get less twist in the rod under strain as you pump it is so much easier. brand is up to you. high speed doesn't really gain much but if it comes with both you can use it for trailing as well

[reggy]

Totaly dissagree,I put it to you that the speed these reels generate is there to initiate a strike in surface feeding pelagics when useing poppers and slugs/slices and has no bearing on improving the efficency of the reel once hooked up,I would also say that a high speed reel has no advantage what so ever when talking Cobia.Would be interesting to know how much line is retrieved per crank between the Saltist 40HS or the Torium/Trinidad.

yes Banshee, i am quite aware that the reason these reels are high speed to get lures working . the point i was trying to make is that these reels are very capable of handling big fish and heavy loads. look at specialist reels such as the Torsa, a high speed reel targeting big fish.
i am aware that a lower gear ratio will deliver a stronger gear train, but the new generation of high speed reels with oversize pinion gears are very capable of taking large fish in my experience.

[Cheech]

I use big spins for bottom bashing and agree with the low speed. I also thought about getting a high speed because I thought that a faster retrieval during the wind part of pump and wind would mean I would be back to the pump faster.
but as Banshee says, a lot of fishing is retrieving empty hooks so the low speed is better for the crank up. A high speed may mean having to pump and wind instead of just cranking.

Recently I bought a Saragosa 14000 which is 4.9 to 1. So sort of in between. But the quality of the reel and the ease of winding means that straight cranking is a breeze.