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[Jabba_]

a few hundred lousy?
i kinda lucky myself, i'm in a good postition, but i have some great friends that work hard, and havent made silly finacial decions. $20 is a massive amount of money to them.
if somthing you can be sourced from OS, or a website for a less, why not buy it?
the bloke down the marine shop/ bottle shop/ auto parts store/ whatever, isnt my friend, he doesnt come to my house for a bbq, i dont go to his. why should you be forced to pay considerably extra to support his business?
i know this may sound rough, but the bottom line is your own dollar is the most important.
So because he is not your mate, your prepared to send you money overseas where not even $1 is going to benefit the Australian economy, let alone the economy of the Australian boating sector..

how many people here have payed retail price for a new car?
you would dead set have to be a wood duck to do it.
you shop every dealer to the point there is bugger all margin left in the car, and why shouldn't you as the purchaser, strive for the best price possible?

service is an industry, you pay for it. dont expect the back up, buying the same product cheaper. but its the gamble alot of people will take, its human nature.

no one wants to see any business go down. some deserve it, some are a product of the enviroment there in. its unfortunate, but a fact of life.

lippa

I always negotiate to get the best deal for what ever I buy.. But the seller still make a profit and it is kept in Australia and pays the wages of an Australian.... How is that remotely simiar to sending 100% of your money overseas for the bennfit of another country...

[tin can marlin]

I agree whole heartly with jabba how does buying a big seaswirl from the states help aussie business and workers etc. I'am a worker but i also know without small business operators like marine dealers people don't have jobs. And lippa i'am sure if you were in your own business you would see it a different way. It is easy to sit there and say screw everyone till they bleed from the ar$e but if it keeps happening there will be be only a select few dealers left and then you will get the worst thing that can happen they will load up on us so basicly a happy medium is needed. A fair profit for the dealership and a good vaule deal for the customer with good service. I think that it is important we don't carry on like selfish little brats and take the line f#%k everyone else i only care about myself. Because it is just not the business owner that gets hurt it the battler who is cleaning the boats or the young guy trying to get a trade as a outboard mec and they all have car loans house rent etc. Regards Mark

[PinHead]

I agree whole heartly with jabba how does buying a big seaswirl (a)from the states help aussie business and workers etc. I'am a worker but i also know without small business operators like marine dealers people don't have jobs. And lippa i'am sure if you were in your own business (b)you would see it a different way. It is easy to sit there and say screw everyone till they bleed from the ar$e but if it keeps happening there will be be only a select few dealers left and then you will get the worst thing that can happen they will load up on us so basicly a happy medium is needed. A fair profit for the dealership and a good vaule deal for the customer (c) with good service. I think that it is important we don't carry on like selfish little brats and take the line f#%k everyone else i only care about myself. (d) Because it is just not the business owner that gets hurt it the battler who is cleaning the boats or the young guy trying to get a trade (e) as a outboard mec and they all have car loans house rent etc. Regards Mark

a) a big seaswirl..not likely..it is a small boat..only 18 1/2'.
b) Don't know about lippa, but i do own and run a small business and work anything from 60 hours a week upwards so i know a little about that.
c) you wonder why I bought an American built boat..simple..cos the good value deal was not available with the locally built boat I wanted.
d) show me how much you care..drop a couple of grand into my business..I won't complain.
e) I employ 2 apprentices and at times I wonder why with the crap and paperwork the Govt throws in the way.

In summary..I buy what I believe, gives me good value for money, and the service I am happy with. If that means buying an overseas made product then so be it. I have 3 cars..they are all made overseas also...but we have been over this all before.

The fact is: a person that starts a business takes a huge gamble..sometimes it pays off and others times it doesn't..a simple fact of life.
I am not going to run around and buy something that is not what I want and be stuffed around by salespeople that have no idea about service.

[Outsider1]

i herd today leisure marine and currimbin tinnies are also now on the list .
not a good time to be a boat dealer or manufacturer for that matter ,even cobalt boats in the us went down just recently ,i think its only the tip of the ice berg unfortunatly

Leisure Marine are still open and trading. Another bit of hearsay??

Dave

[tigermullet]

Now I feel like a real skin flint!. Forty odd years of boating and never once has a new boat or motor been purchased.

I always figured on letting some else pay the tax, dealer markup and a couple of years of depreciation before making a choice.

Very soon there will be a glut of boats on the market at unbelievable prices but, being satisfied with the larger boat and a 43 year old dinghy, I won't be taking advantage of the opportunity.

That opinion does not give me any satisfaction. Times are going to get much tougher and few of us will escape damage.

[webby]

Sometimes i wonder if some of you actually fish, but hang around like vultures waiting to pounce on someone or something thats having a hard time in this world of economic turmoil.
regards

[PinHead]

Sometimes i wonder if some of you actually fish, but hang around like vultures waiting to pounce on someone or something thats having a hard time in this world of economic turmoil.
regards

haven't been fishing for a while..but did bob around on south passage bar for a few hours yesterday

[tigermullet]

Fishing? What's that? Perhaps I'll find out on Tuesday when heading out for ten days or so.

That ought to shut me up and prevent pouncing on bad news rather than fish... or sand crabs.

However, this economic event is not passing without interest because the depth of the turn down is something that has not been seen since 1929-1931 or, perhaps, even 1873.

Witnessing the results of an unstable Bagehotian banking system coupled with lack of adequate regulation is something not to be missed. We are getting a lesson in systemic risk, the likes of which is rarely encountered.

Looked at with some detachment it is fascinating but many of us are aware of the costs borne by those already affected and most of us do feel sorry for those businesses that have been at the front of the storm.

Sorry for the Economics 101 - I will shut up and go to the boat.

[FNQCairns]

Fishing? What's that? Perhaps I'll find out on Tuesday when heading out for ten days or so.

That ought to shut me up and prevent pouncing on bad news rather than fish... or sand crabs.

However, this economic event is not passing without interest because the depth of the turn down is something that has not been seen since 1929-1931 or, perhaps, even 1873.

Witnessing the results of an unstable Bagehotian banking system coupled with lack of adequate regulation is something not to be missed. We are getting a lesson in systemic risk, the likes of which is rarely encountered.

Looked at with some detachment it is fascinating but many of us are aware of the costs borne by those already affected and most of us do feel sorry for those businesses that have been at the front of the storm.

Sorry for the Economics 101 - I will shut up and go to the boat.

You are allowed to - you got it right, I remember your predictions from a good while ago well before all this hit the experts on the square on the forehead, one of just two, forget who the other person on ausfish was....

cheers fnq

[tigermullet]

Thanks FNQ - I didn't think that anyone would have noticed my ramblings.

Now, if I could get my wife to believe me (it hasn't been on TV yet) and start to stock up before the, almost inevitable, shortages I'd be rather happy.

How come your own family rarely believes forecasts made after a lot of study?

It's a mystery. But I guess they see all the indecision and demented ravings as well as the false calls.

[disorderly]

Yeah fella's I'm also one that,despite many of the positive outlooks of the ausfish economics buffs, thinks that things will get quite bad..

I've heard all the arguments why Australia shouldn't be so badly affected by a global downturn...but I think those that those who choose to believe that may be surprised over the next couple of years...

I 'd still like one of those umbrella's, please, Scott....if you have any spare..

[lee8sec]

I see that they are now saying in the USA ,it could be worse than the depression. I cant see how we will be missed, USA & the rest of the world dont buy, china dont make, we dont supply raw materials, we will be affected(worse luck). Just look at the banking & finance industry cut backs. Leigh

[Tangles]

Uhm, i dont think the worlds going to stop??? because if it is lucky i got a new reel sort of get the impression people are talking themselves into it..

[nigelr]

Uhm, i dont think the worlds going to stop??? because if it is lucky i got a new reel sort of get the impression people are talking themselves into it..

Tell that to the poor folk who will lose their jobs in the next few weeks/months.

[jimbo59]

A small war will fix everything...jim