casting shimano overheads

[mikeyh]

Hi all,
a quick question about the casting attributes of some of the shimano overhead range....I have used TSM IV, 20/40S, TLD 20&25 (no casting with last 2)
I have found the TSM IV to be a superb casting reel - light and easy to control (although years of non use will mean a bit of bad language for the first half hour once I get back into it.
Are the smaller Trinidads (TN 14, 16, 20 ) & Toriums as good.
Dont think I will try with my TLD 20 or 25 though...

Also opinions on Calcutta 700 - looks and feels beautiful but heavy compared with TSM IV.

cheers, Mike

[banshee]

Mate the Trinidads and Toriums will cast a lure into the next postcode (okay maybe a bit of an exageration there),likewise the Calcutta's are a noted casting reel,just make sure you've got the cast contol (silver cap next to the handle base) adjusted correctly before you go for that next postcode.

PS....I dont think God could cast a TLD 20/25.

[NAGG]

Hi all,
a quick question about the casting attributes of some of the shimano overhead range....I have used TSM IV, 20/40S, TLD 20&25 (no casting with last 2)
I have found the TSM IV to be a superb casting reel - light and easy to control (although years of non use will mean a bit of bad language for the first half hour once I get back into it.
Are the smaller Trinidads (TN 14, 16, 20 ) & Toriums as good.
Dont think I will try with my TLD 20 or 25 though...

Also opinions on Calcutta 700 - looks and feels beautiful but heavy compared with TSM IV.

cheers, Mike

Hi Mike ...... TSMIV does cast pretty well ... without a doubt Personally I feel that the Calcutta 700 casts as well as the TSM ....... But is a smoother & more refined reel ( unfortunately it is heavy)
If you have the coin ........ one of the DC Trinidads would be nice

Nagg

[2manylures]

Mike, We used to cast unweighted pilchards/mulies & various lures with Charter Specials & TLD's many yrs ago {1986} landbased out of Dampier.

For us at the time it was a case of cast these reels or don't go fishing cos that's all we could buy at the time to handle the locals.

Many I know still cast them from rocks with land-based game rods. Some have using/casting TLD's etc for years.

I also believe Shimano made one Calcutta 700 model not recommended for casting. {gone blank on which one-don't fish salt any more}
Someone will know which one.

[mikeyh]

Thanking you all for the feedback...
Nagg - in the short -medium term I would like to update my TSM IV so the Calcutta 700 is probably a bit slow for HSS - thus my question about casting ability of the Trinidad etc. Dont think I can stretch to a DC - and I guess I would be worried about durability in a harsh rock/surf environment...and aside from that my wife would kill me if she saw how much they were . The Trinidads look and feel like gorgeous reels with the 6.2:1 ratio as well...although the light weight of the TSM with my FSU4120 is a great combo with plenty of stick but very light.....

2many lures...you guys must have magic thumbs to cast unweighted mulies with a TLD....

[banshee]

To the best of my knowledge (okay prety limited) the two variations of the CT 700 were the level wind'700' and the non level wind version '700s',the later being not as popular but probably a better option for distance.
I'd be interested to know what sort of distances were achievable with the TLD's and unweighted pillies.

[mikeyh]

thanks Banshee...me too

[diabolical]

[ I'd be interested to know what sort of distances were achievable with the TLD's and unweighted pillies.



bout a hundred metres............................................ .....................of birdsnest.

[2manylures]

Maybe I’m jumping the gun [apologies if so] but I can sense a little {and a lot} scepticism regarding casting these reels.
We used TLD 25’s & Charter Specials on 12 ft surf rods back then. Had nothing else and couldn’t get anything else. {isolation}
One mate used an Alvey and the distance between the two was very little “BUT “ using TLD’s you had to use more effort {as with most conventional/drum style reels} than the normally gentle swing with an Alvey. The charter special would cast further but this was only due to the weight factor. The two reels are basically the same except for size & weight. Lever drag reels are no different to star drags in basic principal. Hope that makes sense.
One thing I’ve learnt about conventional reels {along with many others} is not to fill them {whether large or small} to capacity with line as this causes the pendulum affect.
You are all probably aware a ½ full spool for example is by far easier to cast than one loaded to the spool line or further. Some people put too much line on these styles of reels and find they have the usual birds nest problems & will throw them out when all they need do is take some line off.
If you aren’t/weren’t familiar with this give it a try. It makes a mammoth difference.
This doesn’t make me an expert or a smart-a***. It’s something we learnt at the time as we had no choice.
I'm sure there'll be many others on this site who've cast TLD's.

[2manylures]

[ I'd be interested to know what sort of distances were achievable with the TLD's and unweighted pillies.



bout a hundred metres............................................ .....................of birdsnest.

Have you tried?

[banshee]

............. Lever drag reels are no different to star drags in basic principal.Hope that makes sense........

Actually it doesn't (make sense) and the statement could not be further from the truth.
The spools in TLD's contain the drag washer,a substantial metal drag plate as well as a collection of secondary housing/spring/bearing that add up to quite a substantial rotating mass.Added to this,the principle of drag application in the TLD has the spool with drag washer fixed being pulled towards the housing via a cam as opposed to a star drag who's drag is incorporated into the drive train/mainshaft,it also has a spool that is devoid of everything except line and spool giving it a well ballanced and relativly light rotating mass.Getting the rotating mass of the TLD to start up with something lighter than itself would be no mean feat,though I supose not impossible.
Owning three or four Shimano LD's I am and remain sceptical if you could get much more than a glorified lob out of them.....but there are a lot better casters than me out there.

[2manylures]

Hi all,
a quick question about the casting attributes of some of the shimano overhead range....I have used TSM IV, 20/40S, TLD 20&25 (no casting with last 2)
I have found the TSM IV to be a superb casting reel - light and easy to control (although years of non use will mean a bit of bad language for the first half hour once I get back into it.
Dont think I will try with my TLD 20 or 25 though...
cheers, Mike

Mike, We used to cast unweighted pilchards/mulies & various lures with Charter Specials & TLD's many yrs ago {1986} landbased out of Dampier.

For us at the time it was a case of cast these reels or don't go fishing cos that's all we could buy at the time to handle the locals.

Many I know still cast them from rocks with land-based game rods. Some have using/casting TLD's etc for years.

I also believe Shimano made one Calcutta 700 model not recommended for casting. {gone blank on which one-don't fish salt any more}
Someone will know which one.

I'd be interested to know what sort of distances were achievable with the TLD's and unweighted pillies.

thanks Banshee...me too

Maybe I’m jumping the gun [apologies if so] but I can sense a little {and a lot} scepticism regarding casting these reels.
We used TLD 25’s & Charter Specials on 12 ft surf rods back then. Had nothing else and couldn’t get anything else. {isolation}
One mate used an Alvey and the distance between the two was very little “BUT “ using TLD’s you had to use more effort {as with most conventional/drum style reels} than the normally gentle swing with an Alvey. The charter special would cast further but this was only due to the weight factor. The two reels are basically the same except for size & weight. Lever drag reels are no different to star drags in basic principal. Hope that makes sense.
One thing I’ve learnt about conventional reels {along with many others} is not to fill them {whether large or small} to capacity with line as this causes the pendulum affect.
You are all probably aware a ½ full spool for example is by far easier to cast than one loaded to the spool line or further. Some people put too much line on these styles of reels and find they have the usual birds nest problems & will throw them out when all they need do is take some line off.
If you aren’t/weren’t familiar with this give it a try. It makes a mammoth difference.
This doesn’t make me an expert or a smart-a***. It’s something we learnt at the time as we had no choice.
I'm sure there'll be many others on this site who've cast TLD's.

As for the rest BASIC means BASIC.

The Shimano Chronarch’s predecessor was a star operated lever drag. I have direct drive Heddon, Pflueger & South Bend reels, Star drag reels from various manufacturers, the same with Lever Drags.

They are all conventional or multiplying reels.


I'm not here to start or even carry over an argument. I've made comments on my experience & others in relation to posts & questions being asked, simple as that!

IF we haven't had the experience then do you think we are qualified to comment whether it be on this subject or any other. AGAIN the "basic principal" is the same.

Perhaps we shouldn't ask questions when we don't like what the answer may entail. If we deem it warranted then perhaps we should open another thread to discuss the inner workings of reels so we can really get to the petty side of things.

[banshee]

Fair call,I guess we're going to have to agree to dissagree on this one (as well as the Chronarchs predecessore if your refering to the 'Fighting Star' concept) unless mike comes up with any more questions.

[2manylures]

Fair call,I guess we're going to have to agree to dissagree on this one (as well as the Chronarchs predecessore if your refering to the 'Fighting Star' concept) unless mike comes up with any more questions.

That's the blighter, BSS 2000 ULS, still gotta couple of minters.

They take a lot of beating. Good little reels!

[Webby08]

I used to fish with a tsm4 on a 12ft surf rod and had no issues flogging that right out.
I also have a TLD 15 and with the right amount of lead it is pretty castable also.


I would like to upgrade my TSM to a Torium though.