I'm glad you've got it worked out bj, 'cause I'm more confused than ever.
Tim
I'm glad you've got it worked out bj, 'cause I'm more confused than ever.
Tim
I guess that the difference pretty much tells you which braids are the better quality ones. (assuming smaller diameter actually means better quality)Originally Posted by NAGG
Check out the Daiwa range ...... A huge difference between TD Sensor 30lb=PE4 & PE Braid PE4=40lb
Now compare Jigman PE Braid PE4 = 62lb
I GIVE UP!!!!
As far as i have always understood, pe relates to diameter only. The pe1 = 10lb conversion is a guide based on average quality line.
Better quality braids are thinner for their respective strength ratings so are lower pe but this is where it can get confusing because some companies rate there lines as 'tested' (castaway, jigman etc.) and others are much more conservative (fireline, finns etc.).
OK the TD sensor is pe4 that is rated to 30lb. So it is either very thick for its rated strength (not good) or is maybe a conservatively rated line (like fireline) its actual breaking strain is probably more like 40 or 50lb.
On the other end of the scale you have Jigman which is also pe4 but is rated to 62lb, this obviously a better quality line and is most likely rated at its tested breaking strain.
Making some sense or am i talking japanese
It is probably just as simple as a Micron Rating System similarly found in wool fibres ... just a stab in the dark, and no I'm not from NZ.
Ta
Matt
Actually ..... TD Sensor is a high quality ...... & controlled braid ( It breaks at or just below the stated breaking strain) ....... So you can use it when claiming line class records without to much fear of failing any test!I guess that the difference pretty much tells you which braids are the better quality ones. (assuming smaller diameter actually means better quality)
As far as i have always understood, pe relates to diameter only. The pe1 = 10lb conversion is a guide based on average quality line.
Better quality braids are thinner for their respective strength ratings so are lower pe but this is where it can get confusing because some companies rate there lines as 'tested' (castaway, jigman etc.) and others are much more conservative (fireline, finns etc.).
OK the TD sensor is pe4 that is rated to 30lb. So it is either very thick for its rated strength (not good) or is maybe a conservatively rated line (like fireline) its actual breaking strain is probably more like 40 or 50lb.
On the other end of the scale you have Jigman which is also pe4 but is rated to 62lb, this obviously a better quality line and is most likely rated at its tested breaking strain.
Making some sense or am i talking japanese
& I'm still confused ........ Whiplash would be the thinnest braid I know of ..... for any given poundage ............ but I wouldn't consider it in my top 5 braids
Hell .... my head's starting to hurt
Cheers
nagg
It depends on what your want you braid for. For barra fishing you need abrasion resistance, so go for Bionic. For offshore deepwater jigging go for a thinner braid like Daiwa PE. For trolling deep lures, go for a small diametre to get extra depth, fireline in the lighter sizes excels here, or 8lb bionic if you can find it. The thinner braids are very unforgiving when you snag up. PE rating is a diametre rating, not a breaking strain. My new Smith baitcaster is rated to PE10-12 which is about 100lb.
Originally when PE was first sold to consumers it was used in the same format as PE1, PE2 etc. That was translated to 10lb or 20lb and always referred to breaking strain. I still have a heap of spools from buying PE braid many years ago.
Now days new technology and tackle marketing has changed and the PE reference can now refer to either breaking strain or diameter.
Realistically take this with a grain of salt, as when it refers to diameter it is advising to the consumer that they produce a braid that is very thin or thick for its breaking strain. Now here is where tackle marketing comes into play and since there is no international standard for line thickness, who decides if a lines diameter is actually thin or thick for its breaking strain?
Consumers should be looking at the advertised breaking strain because that is the most important factor when choosing a new line. Most of the top rods these days are printing rod ratings in PE. This rating is based around breaking strains (and jig weights are mentioned) not around diameter, so be careful when purchasing new PE.
All in all when PE is referred to as a diameter, it is a marketing strategy and nothing more and is simply a way that a company can advertise how strong its super thin line really is.
Cheers
Lee
Can anyone post up some links (apart from the one that already exists) that state that PE is in fact a guage for thickness.All the looking I've done leans towards what I originally thought that the standard for japanese lines is simply a standard measured as follows #1 #2 etc.The only in depth info that I can lay my hands on is from Sunline and out of an aproximate 50 products none carry the prefix of PE bar the braids eg 'Machinegun Cast #3 12lbs (no PE#),Defier #4 17lbs and the list goes on untill you get to braid then the PE #'s start.The following link is also worth a read especialy the second (I think ) parragraph after the first table.
http://www.japantackle.com/Topics/japanese_silk.htm
And another one that would seem to indicate (to me) that PE is Poly Ethelyne.
http://www.japantackle.com/Topics/PE_braided_lines.htm
Here are some links that suggest that the PE rating refers to the diameter of the braid;
http://fishwrecked.com/node/10054
http://www.westernangler.com.au/defa...article&ID=242
Cheers
Dave
OK....Second link,10 parragraph down......exactly what I understand the situation to be.
I’m still not satisfied that the manufacturers on PE rate their line on diameter.
For example take top shelf jigging rods. They state 500g jig weight are recommended use and that’s pretty easy to follow. Now most mention a PE rating to use. So when they mention PE6-8 the line you could use would be anything from 60lb up to 110lb. Now that’s a massive difference based on the assumption of PE= diameter of line.
Cheers
Lee
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