The Green's policy towards fishing

[Jim_Tait]

Careful who you nominate as a twit Timiboy, the post by FNQ I was refering to that you quote above is about AIMS scientist and fish numbers in the GBR - not about climate change!

But as a scientist myself I admitt I fall in with the side that nominate CO2 emissions and climate change as genuine global problems (PS CO2 concentration increases are an impending ecological crisis independent of climate change) - and feel that I have read a bit more supporting science that some others posting vitriolic comments here - but we'll just have to wait and see how it pans out to see who is ultimately right hey?? - meanwhile lets see how many more coal mines we can bring on line to keep the economy growing...after all economic growth is so much more important than ecological sustainability right?

[Tangles]

Jim,

Sorry your on the wrong track. You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have attached a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years.

As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.

Most sorry its got nothing to do with with CO2. If your views are based on science and not faith then you must allow allow this alternative theory as it is also based on science and not religion.

many thanks in advance

Mike

[Jim_Tait]

Thanks for clearing that up for me Mike - sorry for being so misguided I will endeavour to redeem myself!

Any chance I could have a look at the power of your statistical correlation though? Remember correlation does not equal causality - and unlike pirates there are some fairly robust physical linkages between increasing Co2 concentrations and an enhanced greenhouse effect!

[PinHead]

let's make a start on lowering the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere....
1. ban the sales of dry ice
2. ban the sales of soft drinks
3. ban the sales of beer.
4. make all greenies stop breathing for 3 hours out of every 24

that should lower the emissions a bit.

As you are a scientist Jim, please inform us who pays your wages/research grants etc. You can achieve any result you want for any sort of research by paying to get the result you require. Any statistic can be twisted to give the desired result.

[Jim_Tait]

Pinhead,

stop selling coal would make a bigger difference than all of the sources you listed there - didn't mention it? Bit of an apparent ommission - you don't get your $ directly or indirectly from the coal industyry now do you?

I'm happy to tell you who pays for my consultancy - industry (mining, agriculture), government (all levels), community groups and private individuals - and BTW I'm happy to stand by any report I've ever written as I don't change my tune to suite the piper - and thats what my clients expect and value in my professional services!

Your turn now - who pays you - consumers, property speculators??? Sorry I'm only guessing - do tell!

[PinHead]

who pays me...builders, hospitals, home owners...damn near everyone at some stage and wait for it..scientific organisations..and why?? cos the poor little pets cannot seem to tolerate natural environs.

and burn some more coal..you need it to burn Jim ..without it you cannot do any of your research..the only alternative is nuclear..anythine else is unreliable or incapable of supplying the demands required of the electricity system.

If you feel so strongly on this subject, Jim..why do you use electricity..stand by what you preach and do not use any power generated from coal..anything less than that and ..well..you know..there are names for it.

If it wasn't for the coal burning you would not even be able to post on here.

[mowerman]

Mr Jim Tait is back.

The last I heard was ME being accused of throwing children overboard.

I have a spot the difference quiz for you.
On one side the greens policies,,all of them.
On the other, Karl Marx communist manifesto.

Spot the difference.

Nope.

Just noticed your location.
Where is that.

The Channon or Tuncester or Terrania Creek or... I wont mention the N word.
What were you doing in the 60s.


Rod.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes I can see how science works, with esteemed people like Tim Flannery on the forefront....so how are we the public supposed to believe what is coming out of these "scientists" when comments like this are made and the world turns around and does something different?

Tim Flannery, 2004:

The next 50 years offer Sydney the last chance to avoid catastrophic climate change that would devastate south-eastern Australia, the scientist Tim Flannery has warned. Speaking last night at the State Government’s Sydney Futures forum, Dr Flannery warned of a city grappling with up to 60 per cent less water.
As temperatures around the world warmed by 2 to 7 per cent, Sydney could glimpse its future by looking at the devastating impact that global warming had already had on Perth… “I think there is a fair chance Perth will be the 21st century’s first ghost metropolis,” Dr Flannery said.


YET Perth’s dams have reached their highest July level in eight years, despite WA’s gas crisis causing the closure of the Kwinana desalination plant at the start of the month. Above-average rainfall in the major catchment areas since April has meant that the dams are about 34 per cent full… Weather Bureau spokesman Glenn Cook said that the high dam levels were due in part to good winter rain last year...

[Jim_Tait]

Pinhead I pay extra to have my power sourced from acredited renewable sources (in an endavour to help promote the renewable sector - which I believe to be very viable if developed for our domestic electricity needs)- I am also getting a solar array on my roof to feed back into the grid - so put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Speaking of which - Mowerman I live no where near the N word - but maybe you do - or someone has been putting something in your water as I havn't ever accused you of 'throwing babies overboard???"...would you? oh and what was I doing in the sixties..being born, growing up and catching barra the one in my signature photo is in 1968 my first at four years of age in north Queensland where my family comes from (5 generations) - so I'm not the rainbow belt boy you might think I am - in fact I'm a keen hunter not what you'd expect from one of those greenie types now is it? (I'd probably out redneck most of you in fact!!)

Chris - as per your ice map - one seasons events does not equal long term trends - let see how Perth fairs over the next decade shall we??

Regards mates - Jim

PS as communicated with Timiboy in a PM if we can't argue and still remain mates were not aussies - so all in good humour hey??

[mowerman]

Sorry Jim, found the old thread and it was " kids behind razor wire" not children overboard.
My mistake.

Nice barra at 4. At that age I was watching the old man use a stock whip to chase scientists,scruffy looking ones, off our farm down near the N word.
Took me a few years to figure out what they were researching was a certain kind of mushroom that grows in cowshit.

First impressions are lasting.

On the conservation side, Ive got enough water in my tanks to float Timiboys boat, when the sun hits the solar panels at a certain angle I get complaints from the airlines and, in the homemade pizza we had for dinner tonight the only thing that didnt come out of the back garden was the meat.
Only because I couldnt catch the dog.

BUT.

I will not give any support to a group whose sole aim seems to be to restrict the lifestyle of this country based on a warm and fuzzy faith based ideology.

You want to support the greens then go ahead. But make sure you know what all their policies are. There is nowhere on a ballot paper where you can vote for 1 mob for enviroment and another for industrial relations and so on.

And the thought of how many people out there support them for their whale policy or their purple eared 8 footed drongo policy and know nothing about what else the greens want to do scares the livin crap out of me.

Time for another beer.

Rod.

[Jim_Tait]

Rod,

Like the sound of your place, don't know about dog pizza though,.. I rekon their meat is too pongy - least the ones I'ved skined were.

I'm not a card carryimg member of the Greens, and I dont support all their policies either - but I belive that we gotta manage enironmental challenges facing the country and the globe better than we are currently and I dont believe the major parties would budge from business as usual policies unless their is some mob on the sideline barracking for the environment.

At the end o fthe day the Greens should actually be the party of the rural electorates because primary industries have got the most to gain from improved ecological sustainability - just that rural people need to better 'own' the Green party so that common sense policies in terms of 'rural lifestyle (i.e. guns, hunting, fishing, land access)' and ecomomically viable farming production / animal husbandry needs prevail.

Maybe if the amount of city slikers in the Greens party were diluted - you'd have more common sense Greens - the resultant policies could possibly work better than the economic rationaist crap promoted by all the major parties including the nationals who traditionqally looked after rural people & industry.

Thats my thoughts anyway - time for another rum!

[disorderly]

you'd have more common sense Greens -

Jim...I didn't know there was such a thing as a Green with common sense.
Where does he live?
I'd like to meet him one day.

[TimiBoy]

At the end o fthe day the Greens should actually be the party of the rural electorates...
Maybe if the amount of city slikers in the Greens party were diluted - you'd have more common sense Greens

Therein lies a problem. When I lived in Hobart (97-99, not long enough to grow the extra head) the core constituency for the Greens lived in Hobart. Most of the damned "tree huggers" had never seen a tree, I reckon, and were more likely to have hugged their fellow card carrying Commie Bastards at the Uni.

Peg Putt - now there's a name to inspire confidence - none of her followers had ever got their sandals dirty - the only callouses they had was from pulling their own - well, we won't go there - let alone carried a spade into the bush to take a dump. I always felt these Wastes of Carbon were one damned good reason we needed a Ruling Class, so we could legally shoot them and use them for fertilizer. The amount of poo that dribbles down their chins should solve a myriad of phosphate shortages across the known world...

Cheers,

Tim

[mowerman]

Tim,

One of my mates favourite sayings.

"Shoot the lot of them and let God sort them out."


Rod.

[Jim_Tait]

Tim,

One of my mates favourite sayings.

"Shoot the lot of them and let God sort them out."


Rod.

I think that strategy could be applied to a lot more than the Greens - i.e half the devil dodgers pushing their idea of god to start with