yammy v merc 60hp four stroke ( my e-tec blew up)

[Spaniard_King]

I would like to know how an engine that is as complex as an Etec that gets a hole in a piston would be the fault of the mechanic.. WTF.. you guys are kidding yourselves.

Start with your explanations cause I am ready!

[Spaniard_King]

it's not the amount of Oil or how you put in, it is how you get the old Oil out!

Probly get it out through the sump plug hole Noel

[Noelm]

the reason it is/could be the Tech is, because it has been in the shop 5 times and still not fixed, if the guy knew his stuff, it would have been rectified on at the most maybe the second or third visit, a Motor that has a fault and continued to run, will result in a big problem as has happened here, and I still stand by my post way back, the original guy has still not come forth, I think it could be a stir, and I am not kidding myself, been around for far too long for that to happen.

[Noelm]

OH, have you drained yours via the sump plug yet?

[Spaniard_King]

OH, have you drained yours via the sump plug yet?

Sorry Noel, I don't own one I just service/fix em

[cormorant]

hhmm I wonder why we have not heard a peep from Buca T since the first anti etec barrage, but who knows, he may be genuine and just not about at the moment.

Give the bloke a chance. At least he had photos and really does own one unlike many people who say they have failures etc. I'd like to know the cause as there isn't a huge number of failures in any of the new motors. I know from another thread he was having trouble with a cowl seal but I wonder what other issues the visits to the shop were for and if this could have been picked up earlier.

Be very interested in what the download of the ECU tells the mechanic about the failure as if it was cooling related it should have gone into limp mode and if it was fuel related ? Wrong propping can cause extra load and bad lugging but haven't heard of one letting go and there is some terribly set up boats out there that seem to survive. Did it lean out too much - fuel restriction or injector issue as the user wouldn't notice any lack of power? Wrong oil setting or oil - possible but would have expected a seizure not a piston to go? Low octane old stale fuel wil do it?

Be interesting to hear what the cause was.

Either way sorry for gettin off topic an dhope you get a good motor whatever the brand to replace it.

[Noelm]

OH, OK then, have you drained one via the Sump plug? doesn't need to be yours, (a Yamaha that is, not your Honda) and I still say, I am not knocking the Motor, I would gladly have one (or two) but the fact remains, there is a guy with a "new" Motor that has been in and out of "hospital", it has now failed altogether, there is no mention of the Dealer fixing it, they have said they will not trade an Etec, so let me see if there is something is not quite right, I think there might be!

[Spaniard_King]

the reason it is/could be the Tech is, because it has been in the shop 5 times and still not fixed, if the guy knew his stuff, it would have been rectified on at the most maybe the second or third visit, a Motor that has a fault and continued to run, will result in a big problem as has happened here, and I still stand by my post way back, the original guy has still not come forth, I think it could be a stir, and I am not kidding myself, been around for far too long for that to happen.

Noel we are assuming too much without hard facts.

As usual we only get one side of the story and usually a biased one.

This engine should be fixed under warranty unless there is an underlying factors

Still amazed why a high tec engine can melt holes in pistons!

[Noelm]

fully agree, but untill we do get the full story, all we can do is surmise and hope it all comes out well for him, but I still think there is more to the story.

[BUCA T]

hey guys cheers for some of your feedback the e-tec is getting fixed under warranty. it just f%&$s me off that you can spend your hard earned on an outboard that is meant to be one of the best and it f#$%s up. lucky i was still in the river and not 50kms offshore where i was headed. cheers for the feedback keep it coming.


BUCA T

[Spaniard_King]

Be very interested in what the download of teh ECU tells the mechanic about the failure as if it was cooling related it should have gone into limp mode and if it was fuel related ? Wrong propping can cause extra load and bad lugging but haven't heard of one letting go and there is some terribly set up boats out there that seem to survive. Did it lean out too much - fuel restriction or injector issue as the user wouldn't notice any lack of power? Wrong oil setting or oil - possible but would have expected a seizure not a piston to go? Low octane old stale fuel wil do it?

Be interesting to hear what the cause was.

Cormorant, I know you have 1st hand experience and I beleive as you do its a fuel related issue, IMO an injection issue and I base this on only being damage to 1 piston as if there is damage to more than 1 piston other causes would come into play.

Noel, I still don't get your point re: draining of a 4 stroke sump???

IMO.. go the cheaper of the 2 engines

[BUCA T]

Hey fellas it not a hoax ok my motor has s$%t itself. and to clarify the first few dramas werent related to the hole in my piston. For your info first time was a blown fuse, next the tilt wouldnt work properly, third was the tilt again, fourth was the cowl seal went all munted and you guessed the next one .... boooom!
The dealer that wouldnt trade it wasnt an e-tec dealer.

dont get me wrong i was happy with the fuel economy and hole shot from the e-tec but i just dont think engines with a stuff all hours on them should be blowing up!

BUCA T

[cormorant]

Hey fellas it not a hoax ok my motor has s$%t itself. and to clarify the first few dramas werent related to the hole in my piston. For your info first time was a blown fuse, next the tilt wouldnt work properly, third was the tilt again, fourth was the cowl seal went all munted and you guessed the next one .... boooom!
The dealer that wouldnt trade it wasnt an e-tec dealer.

dont get me wrong i was happy with the fuel economy and hole shot from the e-tec but i just dont think engines with a stuff all hours on them should be blowing up!

BUCA T

Glad it is getting fixed ( so it should if only to show good faith) but any idea of the cause?. Hate to get it back with a new pot for the same to happen. Hopefully they will supply a fully dressed powerhead so they can take yours away and diagnose what actually happened and extend your warranty back to the full length. Everyone should get some trouble free time with new motors as they are across brands pretty bloody good

Welll bugga me I didn't think there was issues with the trims as I thought they were solid as and at 50 hours that is pathetic. I tell ya BT it s#%$#$s all of us with any motor issues there days as you expect more with technology and tolerances being so good and we all suffer from the I'll never buy Holden again thoughts when the Kingswood breaks down in the rain.

These days all good manufacturers should just swap out faulty parts under warranty and stop making it a consumer issue and they would get a lot better loyalty. A lot of this has to do with the dealer you deal through.



PS I still don't like the idea of paying $80 plus an hour for someone to undo a sump plug no matter how hard it is to get to. And for the extra kilo why didn't they make the sump 1litre bigger to give longer service intervals and make life easier for the oil?

[ozscott]

I stuck this in another thread, but if the computer (on any modern fuel injected outboard) leans out the mix too much (ie a fault in the program or a sensor etc) cant the engine blow...unlike a properly set up carbed smoker running fresh fuel?

Cheers

[pilchardjones]

gday buca,
i recently looked at both the yam and merc 60 4 strokes here
http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/sho...ight=best+60hp

I ended up getting a merc (bigfoot), but that was mainly due to the dealer service i get. both are very very good i believe.
steve