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  1. #31

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    [quote=Wantok;841454]Gentlemen,

    I have owned and run a Tackle Shop in Brisbane for seven years and would like to make a few comments on this thread.

    1. If a retailer tried to import quantities of stock from overseas as suggested in the thread two things would happen. Firstly he would incur significant charges in the form of import duty and customs handling charges. Secondly most importers and distributors have have an agreement for sole rights on the importation of that particular brand, if it is discovered that someone else is importing that product through the back door and retailing them in Australia the retailer is liable to face legal action. This has happened in the past on several occasions and all of the stock illegally imported has been seized by the authorities.

    Gordon,

    Number 1. is the EXACT reason why we are getting shafted here in OZ. I used to work in a tackle shop for several years. The fact that importers have the sole right to import a product ie daiwa or shimano, gives them the right to set the price. That is wrong, wrong wrong. Imagine what the fuel prices would be if there was only one importer for fuel in Aust!!!!

    I understand that your markup is relatively small at shop level. I certainly dont disagree with that. you need to earn a living and pay the multiple expenses occured in running a business.

    Why cant we get multiple importers for the same products???...the shop owners and public should fight for that........they need to compete with each other....prices come down for you....thus does the local shop price for us..........we start shopping locally again....win win win for everyone. At the moment the only ones winning is the sole right importers.

    Tackle shops Vs the public arguements shouldn't happen....but we have all been backed into an expensive corner by the importers. We are being left with no choice to shop OS. I dont think there would be a fisherman on here that wouldn't start shopping back locally if the prices got back to somewhere close to the O/S cost. 40% + discount is too good to refuse. I feel guilty every time for doing it though.

    As for local knowedge and service. I am still waiting for a quote for about $2000 bucks worth of boat accessories from 2 years back from a boating/tackle shop....mmmm I think I can stop holding my breath now!!

    I went to a brisbane tackle shop the other day and asked how to catch a barra at Monduran and what gear I needed.......It was an embarassment to listen to the dribble that this bloke claimed was 'the good gear and good oil'. And there prices were way dearer than my 'local' shop here 400km north and he is not involved in a 'big buying group'.

    Steve

  2. #32

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    After a good nights sleep I've read all the replies, even my own, and conceded that I may have stepped over the mark. The reels that I have bought from o/s did indeed have warranty cards in the box.This is why (I assumed) the warranty was covered. Thanks to all concerned for steering me on the straight and narrow. The reason for me buying the name brand reels is I'm hoping they will last longer (5+yrs) than buying several cheaper copies.

    Wags

  3. #33

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    Steve,

    The decision to have sole importrers is made by the manufacturer in whichever country the product is made - they control the market.

    If you have waited 2 years for a quotation I would respecrfully suggest that you go to a different tackle shop - I wouldn't wait two months!!

    Regards,

    Gordon

  4. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wantok View Post
    Steve,

    The decision to have sole importrers is made by the manufacturer in whichever country the product is made - they control the market.

    If you have waited 2 years for a quotation I would respecrfully suggest that you go to a different tackle shop - I wouldn't wait two months!!

    Regards,

    Gordon
    Thanks for adding that important info.

    Its a shame about the market control by manufacturers, I still think the importers add an 'excessive' mark up.

    I mean example: TD Zillion I can get OS about $210 US plus about $25 postage directly from a retailer. Now the sole importer to Australia would have to get that reel way way less than that with their bulk buying power from the manufacturer. How much??? I would guess about $120 US tops??? reel is on the shelf here for $450 AUD (about $420US at the moment) which is a difference of$300 US on one reel. there is a BIG difference there. Who is getting the difference?? I bet the tackle shops aren't.

    I am on the side of the local tackle shops. I hate seeing them (or any local business) struggle. But they certainly are not getting any help from the ones supplying them, be it the importer and/or the manufacturer. Ultimately its the consumer who gets shafted.

    About the quote, I just gave up after a couple of days, I even faxed it to them so they got the exact info required...not even a phone call.

    steve

  5. #35

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    Steve,

    You are quite correct the Australian tackle shops are not getting the differnce that you suggested. There is one very big factor though in the base price that you are assuming. The total Australian market is miniscule when compared to the US and we are at the very end of the supply chain. I do not know for certain but I wouldn't be suprised if the major wholesalers in the US were buying at laest 50% better than those in Australia.

    If you ever require another quote send me PM.

    Regards,

    Gordon

  6. #36

    Re: Buying online o/s

    Quote Originally Posted by Wantok View Post
    Steve,

    The decision to have sole importrers is made by the manufacturer in whichever country the product is made - they control the market.

    If you have waited 2 years for a quotation I would respecrfully suggest that you go to a different tackle shop - I wouldn't wait two months!!

    Regards,

    Gordon

    Or is it the smart businessmen that set up an arrangement ( including a sole distributor clause) ........ I've seen this happen in my own industry ..... & the more successful the distributor - the tighter the arrangement !

    With the creation of the global economy & the greater use of the net ...... It will be a matter of time before it goes BANG! in the faces of the distributors!

    Nagg

    PS ..... With a reference to Steve B mentioning Buying groups ....... TW have 2 of the 3 most expensive stores in Sydney .

  7. #37

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    Get ready guys. I hear from someone involved in big business that the big retailers Gerry Harvey and co have been lobbying Wayne Swan's henchmen to control goods being brought in under the $1000 mark through international mail and courier companies.

    So advanced is this project that a team has gone to the USA to see how they control it with the US/Canadian border. Guess they are sick of losing their import tax and GST.....

  8. #38

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    So who is making the money ????

    In case anyone has any doubts ........ This is the new Dunphy Sports head office in Southern Sydney Attachment 28887 ....Attachment 28888... Impresive , large & expensive! ....... No wonder the mark up is so high & the tackle shops make so little


    Well they had to get away from this site Attachment 28889

    Cheers

    Nagg

  9. #39

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    Don't forget Shimano have a 49% stake in Dunphy.......

  10. #40

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    I have heard the same.

    A few years ago I imported some model aircraft parts and spares from the US. I was saving over $200AUD buying from them. I calculated my order at about $970USD. The retailer wrote $970 USD on the customs declaration, BUT customs in Australia valued it at $1007 AUD (they told me they use a weekly averaged cash exchange rate), I got stung with $107 GST plus a $45 or 50 handling fee. Pretty much wrote off any savings. Apart from not saving a lot I did my local guy out of some revenue. I wont do it again, I value his advice and knowledge too much to have him close down due to lack of sales. Same goes with my fishing hobby, I buy local, even if I know I could get it slightly cheaper if I waited to get to a major retailer.
    The local guys knowledge and advice is priceless IMO.

    Andrew

  11. #41

    Re: Buying online o/s

    Quote Originally Posted by Wantok View Post
    Steve,

    You are quite correct the Australian tackle shops are not getting the differnce that you suggested. There is one very big factor though in the base price that you are assuming. The total Australian market is miniscule when compared to the US and we are at the very end of the supply chain. I do not know for certain but I wouldn't be suprised if the major wholesalers in the US were buying at laest 50% better than those in Australia.

    If you ever require another quote send me PM.

    Regards,

    Gordon
    Will do that Gordon, Thanks mate.

    cheers steve

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