How hard would it be to have a sign at the filleting bench?
"Filleted fish are not to be returned to the Boat" by law...
Re: Fisheries Gone Mad
How hard would it be to have a sign at the filleting bench?
"Filleted fish are not to be returned to the Boat" by law...
Last edited by darylive; 20-06-2008 at 12:58 PM. Reason: unsubscribe notification. enough is enough
I wonder if towing the fish in a bag or an esky is considered part of your boat?
Having an informative sign would be entirely reasonable.
What I recon there should be, is informative advertising in the fishing press and on fishing shows...... not just this but other issues
cheers
This has nothing to do with revenue rasing. Being old and ignorant is no excuse for not following the rules, commercial or recreational. Its amusing to read that "its an honest mistake", it always is. The fisheries officers have heard it all !! The rules are there for a reason and the only people that winge and bitch about them are the few idiots that choose not to follow them. I have seen the fisheries officer use their discretion many times. If you are going to have a sh*t attitude torward them doing their job then its no surprise that a fine will be issued instead of a warning. We ALL have access to current legislation so we have no excuse to be ignorant. To say the guy has been doing the same thing for thirty years is one of the reasons our fisheries are in the state that its in. Its too easy to say "but why arn't they out getting the other guy, or the bigger guy". Thats exactly what they are doing when their not having to police SOME stupid ignorant recreational fishos. They cant be everywhere all of the time so instead of bitching and whinging about the stuff their not doing why not contact them and let them know whats going on so they CAN do somthing about the problem. You dont play any sport without first knowing the rules, I dont see how fishing seems to be different? By the way I have never been fined, it simply means I follow the rules they are there for a reason.
If any one is interested, I made a post in the NEWS forum call fisheries act and regulations, in it I've provided a link to where you can download the current legislation for free as a pdf file.Originally Posted by scrotty
heres the link again.
http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/Acts_SLs/Acts_SL.htm
select the letter F and scroll down to find the fisheries stuff.
simon
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I saw a bloke in a shopping centre today wearing a "t" shirt that said
"It's only illegal if you get caught"
What an absolute crock.........you see what we are up against.
cheers
good for you mate, never been fined, must be so satisfying to be perfect but for the average bloke out there that make a honest mistake lets just say he was a smartarse and ignorant or rich or poor or blind. the thing is yes that is the law but i just think that commonsense could have been applied here as a way of informing a unaware fisho of the law. this elderly mate is as straight as they come and would not even have raised his voice at the officers he took it on the chin but cant understand why one officer let him load the fish fillets back into his boat and cross the river. i would like to know where all you perfect law followers stand on this fact . guys i am just after fairness across the board example DEAN1 was warned for 2 or 3 fions not been cut off, now that is commonsense at it best and i congratulate the officer for his understanding of the situation cheers supa.
You still dont get it do you.............there is no allowance for common sence in law or legeslation........there is so little of it these days the government assumes it doesnt exist.
If you don't get zipped when you have done the wrong thing, that isnt fair... thats good luck.
none of us are claiming to be perfect, but many of us make it our business to know our obligations instead of busking it, or risking it.
common sence is knowing the rules and that is cheap & easy.
cheers
And, quite frankly, NEITHER SHOULD THERE BE!!!!
Knowing and obeying the Law is OUR RESPONSIBILITY, not theirs. ^%&$*!!!! Damn some people just have no clue about surviving in the jungle. IT IS WHAT IT IS!!!! Stop whining about it!!!!
Carbon Really Ain't Pollution.
There's such a thing in police and fisheries legislation as discrection which means they have the right to pick and choose who they fine and the legislation is comprehended differently between departments e.g whats legle for one officer is not for another.
I will give you one example i was sent a commercial log book by fisheries log book section and on the front it said log book does not need to be carried on any commercial trips 24 hours or less, but the legislation states it must be carried at all times on commercial trips as i do, one trip recently i was asked to produce my logbook and i did but said i'm not required to do so, the officers reply was like hell you don't if you don't have it you get fined.
So after explaining the situation that the log book section in charge of logbook policing had put this notification on the book he could not understand it and had no explanation or recourse he could have taken but he sure was quick to jump down my throat with his fine book handy.
That was not my only time i found grey area's in the law if some of you guy's jumping down peoples throats with your badges waving think your preaching gospel think again the law is not cut and dry and is interprited differently between officers and departments.Then when you think you have it really figured out they will change it again,one day your a top bloke for catching something the next your a criminal go figure.
Supa29, you have totaly taken out of context what I said. Did I say that I am perfect, I DONT THINK I DID. You are obviously a person that can not have a conversation or debate without making it personal and adding a smart arse comment. I simply said if you follow the rules you wont get fined. Were you in the boat at the time of the incident or are you just guessing or generalising? Samson you are totaly correct in saying that the legislation is open to interpretation. The fisheries legislation is the second largest piece of legislation in Australia. This indicates just how poorly it is written. There are many grey areas that can be taken in different ways. The FACT is the guy had fillets in his boat and that is against the legislation. I am not saying that I agree that he should have been booked or not, I was not there and that is up to the officer to assess. Like many other people we are all quick to generalise and say that the particular officer was a Bastard so that means they all are. Any form of authority be it fisheries/ Police whoever has to deal with this same amount of crap about people thinking its unfair. If the guy would have just taken his fish home and cleaned them which is an option a lot of people prefer there would have not have been a problem in the first place. We all have decisions to make its just a shame that some people make the wrong ones and seem to think that the repercussions are always someone elses fault.
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Popcorn & a coldie anyone?
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mate i dont disagree with the law or the officer for doing his job correctly but they do have the ability to excise a judgement on commonsense. i as most follow the law as best i can but it is no use sitting there bagging people that get fined until you know the whole story. i just dont understand how yourself and other people on here automatically say that the officer is without fault and the bloke fined is a agruementive old ######, if your going to give the officer the benifit of doubt so you must give the bloke a fair hearing not just say he was wrong. mate i like a good disagreement debate but i am willing to see both sides and can also see there is commonsense given elsewhere but not here. and one officer watched him load them into his boat and drive off across the river. the law was broken but i just cant see any thing gained by fining people for this rule or some others that i have listed, it just adds to the confusion out there.
just one question should the guy with the undersized squire in the ambojacks gut be fined? by the law he didnt catch the fish be interested in your veiw.
thanks supa.
Well, that all boils down to whether the Copper believes him, doesn't it?
And I want to know who sets the boundary in a situation as to what is common sense and what is not? Seems that boundary will be impossible to set so everyone agrees.
No wait - it is set. It is called THE LAW. Break it at your peril. If I was a Cop I'd be busting anyone I thought was an armchair lawyer. They'd be my first target!
You all should just agree that the Law is the boundary, because you have two tenths of stuff all chance of changing it. Part of my mantra is "if you don't like it, change it. If you can't change it, shut the hell up about it!!!"
Please?
Tim
Carbon Really Ain't Pollution.
What I can't believe is that there are guy's out there who fish offshore and didn't know this rule existed, and in the case of Supa's old mate, a very experienced offshore fisherman. When the rule came in a few years ago (along with other changes) it was in the papers, booklets were at all bait & tackle stores, it was talked about at the time and mentioned many times since by nugget on the 4bc fishing show, Bushn'Beach & QFM, I've even seen it on Creek to Coast or Great weekender or whatever it's called. How could anyone even be around other offshore fishermen and talk about fishing and catches ect (like we all do) and not hear about this rule.
And Supa you said of Scrotty
"i just dont understand how yourself and other people on here automatically say that the officer is without fault and the bloke fined is a agruementive old ######, if your going to give the officer the benifit of doubt so you must give the bloke a fair hearing not just say he was wrong."
Yet you started this post with
"half wit officer that loves the power rush of control over hard working and fishing folk"
You can't have it both ways mate.
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