Pesky C&R enforcers!

[jeffo]

what bothers me is how much this site has changed over the years....it used to be a whole bunch of great guys and girls (alot of whom dont post here anymore for various reasons) who would talk fishing and hang a bit of sh!t every now and then but all in good fun and it was left at that . These days its usually 99% bitchy ness and 1% quality.

its a sad day when much older blokes are bagging out young up and commers for voicing their opinion about catch and release. These young guys are the future of the sport/hobby we all enjoy so much- and hammering them for believing in catch and release isnt going to achieve anything. Times change and so do social views and interests. If you want to kill a big fish go right ahead....if you dont have thick enough skin to hear a comment or 2 about C & R then simply dont post it for all to see. Its an open forum where every one has the right to their opinion.

I usually keep my mouth shut about these issues as ive seen it all a million times on various forums and it always ends up back where it started. with nothing achieved.

for the record i catch and release and catch for a feed if the right species comes aboard. Just my 2 cents.

[Poodroo]

In all honesty everyone is entitled to their opinions but here is a suggestion. If you feel the need to disagree with someone's catch then send that person a PM and keep the negativity off the thread for the sakes of all who enjoy a good read. I have to wonder why people who have to start arguments always have to do it publicly in front of the rest of the readers when it can happen on the side out of view?

Regards,

Poodroo

[breamnut]

jeffo is right but also it true that the cnr fisho's do bag some posts.
i dont think its right killing as big breeder flattie as they are the future for our fishery and if everyone did it it wouldnt be good news for the old lizards.
BUT there is nothing wrong with keeping fish aslong as your sensible and dont go over the top and fill fish bins of tailor when u dont need them like they did in the old days.
i am a cnr fisho most of he time but will keep a fish every now and then like a squire or 2.
and if you are so against killing fish thats fine, but i bet you eat fish and guess wat happend to that fish!
this contry is getting bigger and bigger and u need the cnr fisho's what will happen to places like the goldy when its as big as sydney???
sydney is massive and it can take that population but the creeks and rivers around the goldy area arr not big enough.
the bloody netters take more fish in those nets in one go then 20 guys keeping there bag limets of fish on here.
lets get them out of our waterways!

[Oh Gee]

I practice C&R most the time...But anything legal size, tasty and needed for the family tables is treated with the utmost care, into the esky. I'm a hunter-gatherer and proud of it.

[breamnut]

Australia is way behind the rest of the world is preserving our fish stocks and i dont mean keeping fish, i mean the commercial fisherman still able to flog our rivers and oceans.
the kingfish trapes nearly wipped out the whole population in sydney harbour and now they have been banned they have made a come back.
most places around the world farm there bait and other fish to take the load of the rivers and oceans and if even just prawns,whitbait and pillies were no longer netted i bet there would be alot more fish around too.

[mattooty]

sydney is massive and it can take that population but the creeks and rivers around the goldy area arr not big enough.
the bloody netters take more fish in those nets in one go then 20 guys keeping there bag limets of fish on here.
lets get them out of our waterways!

You've raised 2 very relevant points here.
1 is the population issue, i personally don't experience that as i live in the lil fishing village of yamba...(well we're basically brisbane during holiday periods with the amount of QLD plates driving around), but i can see exactly what you're saying and i completely agree. C&R is a vital part of our fishing economy, wether it be releasing that breeder flatty or that undersize flatty, it makes no difference. But lets give everyone a rest and give them either the time of day to congratulate them on a fish of a lifetime or, if you don't agree, close the window and read the next report. As much as you might not agree with it, you're only passing on your frustration when you dampen someones bragging rights.
The 2nd point you've raised is commercial netters. the river that i live on supplys the better portion of sydney fish markets and brisbane fish markets stock. Any wonder why the schools of mullet that were once measured in the tens of acres are now measured in 100's of fish. Ever thought about just why its not like "the good ol' days"? With the heavy pressure applied on both bait stocks and high end predators through commercial activity we have seen a HUGE decline in fish stocks.
Using mullet as an example once again, there is zero chance that recreational anglers ever had an effect, have you ever tried to catch a mullet on a regular basis? I rest my case.

But back to the point in question, we've all got our morals that apply to our styles of fishing, some might see that kilo plus bream as a trophy, others might see it as a grandfather where as some might just see it as another pesky bream. Whatever you think of that fish, take into consideration what the poster thinks of it and how proud they are. If you think that the 69cm flathead was pushing the limits then by all means say your comment on "its a bit close to the limit" but try adding a smiley next to it to imply you're not creating an aggressive post and whatever you do don't forget what you think if you caught that fish, released or kept.

theres my rant. i'm off to do some uni study.

[BAR UP]

In all honesty everyone is entitled to their opinions but here is a suggestion. If you feel the need to disagree with someone's catch then send that person a PM and keep the negativity off the thread for the sakes of all who enjoy a good read. I have to wonder why people who have to start arguments always have to do it publicly in front of the rest of the readers when it can happen on the side out of view?

Regards,

Poodroo

Here Here Poodroo, that is very good advice. I got involved in the same arguement last year after one of my posts. I did nothing illegal just had a great day out with a mighty catch between 3 of us. Got riducled for keeping too many fish. Kind of puts you off a bit doing any more posts but i'm over that now so look out.

[Horse]

I have been involved in C&R for over 30 years. I now choose to seldom fish for species I do not wish to eat. I personally do not feel great about catching and releasing too many fish for fun as I am aware that a certain percentage (10-50%)will not survive the encounter. This is my choice to keep a feed rather than fish for "fun".
When I was a young pup I was naive and pushed the C&R philosphy on others with respect to certain species like Trevs. It was OK for me to C&R 30 or so in a session but I would get grumpy with someone keeping a few for a feed. During those sessions I was undoubtedly killing many more fish than they were but I was too inexperienced to know it.
By all means practice C&R and enjoy it to the max but please do not make negative comment in a report where someone has caught some great fish within all the rules of the game and kept them for a feed.

If you don't have something nice to say then don't say it in response to someone sharing their experience

Cheers

Neil

[SummerTrance]

In all honesty everyone is entitled to their opinions but here is a suggestion. If you feel the need to disagree with someone's catch then send that person a PM and keep the negativity off the thread for the sakes of all who enjoy a good read. I have to wonder why people who have to start arguments always have to do it publicly in front of the rest of the readers when it can happen on the side out of view?

Regards,

Poodroo

I have to disagree with that. No one should be sending nasty pm's. If someone has something to say, it should be on the public forum.

Remember about a week ago. This happened to Cobia kid. Someone sent him a very nasty pm, flaming him for keeping a 'breeder' cobia he has in his avitar. He posted a thread about it and was obviously a bit hurt by the comments. Pages of members posted in support of Cobia Kid and roasted the guy who sent the pm (as did I)

I would much rather someone post negative comments to me in the public forum, then send me a nasty pm, at least other like minded people can back me up and post support and the person flaming cant hide behind a pm.

For the record. I keep all fish over the size limit, and have never bagged out.

[NAGG]

The C&R crew are like the Greenies - set in their ways and not open to anything outside their own small thought processes - hence the need for them to jump in and contribute - makes them feel like something worthwhile - 'save the fish', save the whales', 'save the turtles'! I have a suggestion, how about they save us some oxygen and breathe elswewhere?

I practice CPR regularly - Catch, Pash & Release... into my Esky!

I thought this was quite an interesting thread with a valid point of view ....... Till this !

What a load of tripe ....... Yeh, this really does do a great deal of good ...... so much for being " Open to anything outside their own thought processes"

Nagg

[dogsbody]

I don't mind if your a C@R fisher. It's when they start to question why would you keep a legal fish, that is what is annoying and then turns the thread into something other than what it was.

I'll still report,, the way i fish (within the regulations).


Dave.

[mik01]

what bothers me is how much this site has changed over the years....it used to be a whole bunch of great guys and girls (alot of whom dont post here anymore for various reasons) who would talk fishing and hang a bit of sh!t every now and then but all in good fun and it was left at that . These days its usually 99% bitchy ness and 1% quality.

its a sad day when much older blokes are bagging out young up and commers for voicing their opinion about catch and release. These young guys are the future of the sport/hobby we all enjoy so much- and hammering them for believing in catch and release isnt going to achieve anything. Times change and so do social views and interests. If you want to kill a big fish go right ahead....if you dont have thick enough skin to hear a comment or 2 about C & R then simply dont post it for all to see. Its an open forum where every one has the right to their opinion.

I usually keep my mouth shut about these issues as ive seen it all a million times on various forums and it always ends up back where it started. with nothing achieved.

for the record i catch and release and catch for a feed if the right species comes aboard. Just my 2 cents.

Jeffo - I think the point of this thread is the bagging that Dogsbody and Custaro received from a couple of likely suspects representing the C&R fraternity. I'm sure no one is advocating all C&R people are in the same ilk, nor are they hammering them for believing in C&R.

Bagging out a fellow Ausfisher, fishing within the LEGAL rules of the State they live in, is a pretty low act.

One thing that gives this site its credibility is ZERO tolerance of illegal fishing practices - the members are to be congratulated for their efforts to practice sustainable, legal fishing practices.

In fighting, and petty squabbling, is really a no win situation. Therefore, why would people bother to attack others who are doing no wrong? Because, behind the keyboard, they can. I'm sure none of them would front up at the ramp and chastise a bloke for keeping a legal, large fish!!!

Just because you have the right to voice an opinion, doesn't mean you should. Perhaps the younger generation could learn some discretion in this regard?

[Poodroo]

I have to disagree with that. No one should be sending nasty pm's. If someone has something to say, it should be on the public forum.

Remember about a week ago. This happened to Cobia kid. Someone sent him a very nasty pm, flaming him for keeping a 'breeder' cobia he has in his avitar. He posted a thread about it and was obviously a bit hurt by the comments. Pages of members posted in support of Cobia Kid and roasted the guy who sent the pm (as did I)

I would much rather someone post negative comments to me in the public forum, then send me a nasty pm, at least other like minded people can back me up and post support and the person flaming cant hide behind a pm.

For the record. I keep all fish over the size limit, and have never bagged out.

First of all I agree that it is a public forum and I am not against constructive criticism but my main point here is that when one has been out fishing and done everything according to the current laws and brings home a feed and out of exuberance and excitement feels the need to share it with his fellow fishermen and women on a forum then he/she should not have to feel ridiculed in any way for having done so. If someone feels the need to get nasty then I along with a lot of other members would rather not see it in an otherwise cheerful thread. I am not suggesting getting nasty in a PM but rather being tactful and keeping a civil tone in a PM expressing your concerns in order to keep the negativity out of the thread. Let’s put the shoe on the other foot SumerTrance and say that you put up a post and everyone jumped on the bandwagon and slammed you for putting your thread up. How would that make you feel? I have had it happen to me and it is a belittling experience that leaves a bad taste and is uncalled for. I for one would have prefered this particular person had of approached me in a PM and expressed his concerns rather than make it blatently obvious that he was trying to put me down and make me look bad and himself look better. In the end I think that person looked more of a fool than I did. If someone puts up a post about doing things that are in breech of the laws pertaining to fishing then they deserve to be slammed and have their post deleted by the moderators but let’s leave that up to the moderators who are doing a fine job of keeping the forum suitable for all ages.

Regards,

Poodroo

[T1]

KINGTIN, BANSHEE & NAGG!

It was tongue in cheek fella's - apologies if this has caused offence to you guys (& anyone else)...

I couldn't give 2 sh%ts about who likes and practices what etc etc, just trying to be funny (& sarcastic) - but that obviously backfired! Thanks for highlighting this though!! Classic example of 'Type before you THINK'!

Take Care T

[jeffo]

in a perfect world the "if you dont have anything nice to say" scenario would ring true.....but people are ALWAYS going to voice their opinions on forums like this, and after nearly 5 years as a member here i must say that the larger the member numbers get the more it happens, it comes with the territory of being an active member i think.