Capsized Haines Hunter (not a CAT)

[ozscott]

I know that my model Vagabond was used by the Coastguard and Rescue mobs for many years in the 70's alongwith Carribean Reef Runners and the 6.5 m Haines Hunters but then they all moved to Cats predominantly and RIBS for smaller stuff. The advantage of the Cats seemed to be that twin engines were easy and didnt weigh down the aft end and the stability of them made rescues easer (the last point being the strongest in their favour because the Vags etc did well with twins on and regularly came from the factory that way for north qld fisherman who went out wide and the rescue mobs also).

Cheers

[disorderly]

We still tend to see more Cats upside-down in the water....

Yes ,jabba,this does tend to be the case.....in fact I heard that markham were considering changes to there hull configuration with that exact problem in mind.
The major change is to actually fit the top deck to the bottom of the sponsons as this appears to be their most comfortable angle of rest.

[business class]

or should you say, the only boats CAPABLE of braving the rough stuff !!

What about the tri hulls???? i think they are quite a bit more capable then the cats when it comes to the rough stuff!

[SeaHunt]

Smaller cats tend to be more unstable than monos??? What small cats have you been in? Ive owned monos over 6 metres, i now have a 5.2m cat and they are chalk and cheese. My cat blows them away!! Id like to see 3 blokes walk to one side of your rolly polly in rough conditions and see what happens And i dont have dig in issues either.. Mono owners are very confused

Its BECAUSE three guys can all walk to one side of a small cat and nothing happens that they flip over given the right conditions.

Side on, a mono will lean into a wave, a cat with its two hulls has to tilt.

Personallty I would prefer a big cat for offshore, but having said that you have to be aware of the differences in the way they handle, bit like the difference between riding a motor bike and driving a car.
If you throw a mono into a tight turn going flat out it will dig in , do it in a cat and you will probably get thrown out.

[lampuki]

Shark cats are amazing boats, but in the wrong hands, can be dangerous. Is it not the case that the big, flat surface between the hulls makes them a lot more likley to flip going through through a bar, where as a mono is more likley to cut through and not flip.

[finding_time]

Ive got to say that some of the comments on here are rediculous!!! If i was hit side on by a breaking wave in a bar i would much rather be in a mono!!! ( Not you mono ) Of course a cat will roll, the downhill side hull is going to dig in !!! A mono MAY be lucky enough to ride it out!! Of course the mono may sink if it goes over the cat will float! BUT why am i even mentioning this who gets hit SIDE on in a bar?

Lampuki

Please explain? i haven't got any idea what your talking about? I assume your saying that a cat will go over backwards?

Jabba

By the looks of your avtar you own a Seafarer Vermont? Great boat good hull and quick i've spent about 200hrs driving one In anything under 12 knots it will blow my 5.2 kc away( been in one going 100km/per hr offshore) but it does have a few issues for offshore work although the hull is well and truely up to the task the lack of height foward means any wave you take on the nose will and does end up in the boat ( been there ) and the same lack of volume foward means that running down hill it is very easy to drive it into and through a wave with the result being 100's of litres of water in the boat ( Been there aswell ) And as they are not self draining this can be a major issue! But if you only head out on great days there a good boat but i would go pointing out problems with cats mate as they are a far safer boat for offshore work than most mono's!!
Ian

Ps.

There is a certain brand of cats that are tending to skew the roll over figure;s a bit aswell ,there hull shape is more like a mono with a tunnel cut oyt rather than a 2 hulls joined together . take these out of the equation and cats roll overs are less common!

Pps btw i've scared myself and my crew a few times in mine digging in a hull , but as far a a roll over goes i think it would be very difficult your more likely to do a 180 degree broach as 1 hull lifts completely out of the water

[lampuki]

Hi Finding time.

Yeah, I have crossed many bars in both monos and cats, and the lift that cats get from hitting a big wave seems to be greater than that of monos. The only thing I could put that down to is that monos do not have a large flat surface area that the wave can get a hold on. Anyway, I didnt want to stir any one up, just giving my experiences in crossing bars in SEQ. As I said from in my previous post, the performance u can get out of a cat if you know what you are doing is impressive.

[business class]

i would have to agree with ian here as there is no way you can compare multi hulls eg, cats, hydrofields with mono's when it comes to safety , that is just insane. Multi hulls will always be alot safer and stable.

Cheers
MAtty

[Jabba_]

Ive got to say that some of the comments on here are rediculous!!! If i was hit side on by a breaking wave in a bar i would much rather be in a mono!!! ( Not you mono ) Of course a cat will roll, the downhill side hull is going to dig in !!! A mono MAY be lucky enough to ride it out!! Of course the mono may sink if it goes over the cat will float! BUT why am i even mentioning this who gets hit SIDE on in a bar?

Lampuki

Please explain? i haven't got any idea what your talking about? I assume your saying that a cat will go over backwards?

Jabba

By the looks of your avtar you own a Seafarer Vermont? Great boat good hull and quick i've spent about 200hrs driving one In anything under 12 knots it will blow my 5.2 kc away( been in one going 100km/per hr offshore) but it does have a few issues for offshore work although the hull is well and truely up to the task the lack of height foward means any wave you take on the nose will and does end up in the boat ( been there ) and the same lack of volume foward means that running down hill it is very easy to drive it into and through a wave with the result being 100's of litres of water in the boat ( Been there aswell ) And as they are not self draining this can be a major issue! But if you only head out on great days there a good boat but i would go pointing out problems with cats mate as they are a far safer boat for offshore work than most mono's!!
Ian

Ps.

There is a certain brand of cats that are tending to skew the roll over figure;s a bit aswell ,there hull shape is more like a mono with a tunnel cut oyt rather than a 2 hulls joined together . take these out of the equation and cats roll overs are less common!

Pps btw i've scared myself and my crew a few times in mine digging in a hull , but as far a a roll over goes i think it would be very difficult your more likely to do a 180 degree broach as 1 hull lifts completely out of the water

your description off the Vermont is spot-on.. Yeah the hull is very blue-water capable, but the height off its sides do let it down in real rugged condition..And as for the lack off height at the bow,,, I would love an extra 1ft or 2 higher, as I have had the same experience as you mentioned (drivin through the back off a wave) Altho I to avoid that situation from happening I trim up the motor, and that keep the bow high....

Also because it is a non-self draining deck, I have installed 2, 3000gph bilge pumps.... Altho, these wont save the boat if a wave breaks over the top off it....

But this boat was a compromise.. A good day and social boat, and also comfotable in the open ocean....

Next boat will be more ocean related... Been looking at cats and mono's... So far I like the 24KC, Safarer Victory, and the Hains Hunter 6.5 Patriot.. The Dominators look like a good package, but I think there the cats that tend to tip over very easerly... Is that correct...
And what are the PowerCats like....

[Getout]

BUT why am i even mentioning this who gets hit SIDE on in a bar?

The coast guard probably does, while they are rescuing people who roll over.
On shallow bars, sometimes boats spin around due to the current.

The charter mobs generally use cats so they must be OK on bars in the right hands.

[disorderly]

Multi hulls will always be alot safer and stable.

Cheers
MAtty

Except when they are upside down.

[lampuki]

Getout, fair point about the coasties, they will be in situations where they will get side on......With regard to the charter boats, they are normally 30+ feet. If they decide not to take the bar on, (Maybe im a skirt?) but I would be avoiding the bar as well.

[Jabba_]

The coast guard probably does, while they are rescuing people who roll over.
On shallow bars, sometimes boats spin around due to the current.

The charter mobs generally use cats so they must be OK on bars in the right hands.

True, but. The rescue and charter Cats are usualy around 30ft and bigger, and with the width off those Cats, it would be extreamly hard to roll one off those over. Also the way this topic started was by me stating in another thread that I have noticed that Cat roll overs(inparticular Cat less then 6m in lengh) have been more comon then mono.

[Wahoo]

WOW, getting bit like other threads, bet most of the roll over cats had E-Tecs on them


Daz

[Jabba_]

Nar, They all had Suzuki's or Merc's... And E-tec equipped Cats are guaranteed not to roll over, ever. Mainly because there usualy at the shop being repaired....