Blacksheep Reel

[NAGG]

And to think that I was just starting to love my growing collection of multiple bearing ultralite super tuned low profiles. Its taken years to wean me off my calcuttas and millionaires... then you throw a spanner in the works..

For Sale:

1x zillion CC, 1x steez 103, 1x core mg, 1x 50mg. PM for details.

Just kidding!

I will be testing your theory though.

Mick

Ahhh Mick ...... I too convinced my self that lightweight baitcasters were the go over the past year ( 2 Zillions , 1 steez & 1 Alphas) ..... which are fine & dandy.
It was only when we found ourselves anchored due to a malfunctioning leccy & casting with the wind to various points & bays ..... That I realised the advantage of the big cast (50M +) to the shallows! ...... STEALTH! ...... & many more taps , bites , hookups & fish landed!
I'm convinced
Nagg
PS .... I havn't bought a drum bc for 8 years ........ so I need to make up for it

[NAGG]

Ha ha, he had the same effect on me. One Hrf started me off, then got my pe special zillion was then thinking Zillion HLC never even entertained the idea of a round type reel and then Nagg came along and said barrel type for pointcaster. So then I had to buy a sheep

See how useful Ausfish can be

[Tim_08]

Ha ha yeah helpful and exspensive

[NAGG]

Ha ha yeah helpful and exspensive

Yeh , but you could have wasted all that money buying reels that were not fit for purpose

[Tim_08]

Yeh , but you could have wasted all that money buying reels that were not fit for purpose

Yes how true. I think I'll put that one in the bank, good line to use on the missus

[banshee]

to be honest from a casting reel perspective i don't think much of the 'sheep...a CVZ 253 would make a better proposition...don't forget it like all other variants is originally based on the CVZ's to start with! has the same amount of drag washers so a simple carbontex upgrade would make it more than capable, and the sheep is like the blue backer in that it isn't designed foremost as a casting reel and as such has the less effective centrifugal cast control...i'm looking to put together an XOS barra/PNG black bass outfit and the reel will almost certainly be a JDM CVZ253

Was starting to think I was the odd man out but have to agree,I don't rate my Black Sheep at all when it comes to casting.

[NAGG]

Was starting to think I was the odd man out but have to agree,I don't rate my Black Sheep at all when it comes to casting.

I think the reputation has been built on the robustness , drag ( out of the box) capacity to handle very heavy braid
Anyone that I know or have spoken to that has one ...... bought it for close quarter hand to hand combat barra & black bass fishing in the sticks ........ Having said that .... The couple that I have used cast at least every bit as well as my Calcutta 400

Nagg

[MuppetMan]

All you Daiwa people how does the Bayard rate/go? I just grabbed one because for the money it looked like a pretty good prospect. Taking it offshore (NSW) tomorrow for a bottom bash which will be its first run.

[wheezer]

Wheezer Japan Tackle states that the 253 only has 4kg drag while all the other models have 5kg, is this due to physical size or number of the drag washers or type of drag? Like say Zillion vs. Hrf? And if so would that limit the max to lower than that of all the others drag even with the erskine drag upgrade?


Mikooh I would imagine that both spool diameter and width would play a role in cast distance. The wider the spool is the more line can come off without reducing the overall diameter And the larger the diameter the easier the spool will be to turn for the given force (think rear bike gears).

Nagg, I'm a daiwa man too but I do like the look of those conquests. I'm yet to play with one of the dc controlled reels but from all reports they are sensational. Hope it wouldn't effect the sense of achievement you get from being able to cast a baitcaster well though (I'd almost feel like I was cheating )


Tim

that's due to the fibre washers used...they still have the same washer count. for example the stock CVZ 103 also has a stock 4kg drag, whereas the Bay Casting 103 is rated 6kg outta the box. i tested mine after a few trips to bed it in, and it repeatedly pulled upwards of 11kg!! a tear down revealed the only difference was the type of fibre washers used

1 interesting note about the JDM CVZ253 is that it comes with a 6.3-1 ratio compared to the 5.1 used in the local version. IMO this makes it more suited to point casting as it allows quicker retrieves after long casts once your lure has passed through the strike zone and is still fine for rolling plastics etc. in fact i found the 6.3-1 ratio on my Steez more comfortable than the slower ratio of my millionaire for plastics work...that said if that is not preferred the gears from a blue backer or 'sheep could be retrofitted for slower ratio

regarding casting performance vs. spool size, most casting reels have a narrow spool dia. and a disengaging level wind where possible, as there is less friction when the level wind is disengaged and having a narrow spool minimises line angles during the cast...unless of course high line cap is required once you can't go any larger on spool dia. then you have no choice to go wider

a larger dia. spool while requiring more startup force has more inertia and lower spool RPM, making them more suited to long range casts (Zillion has 2mm dia. larger spool than steez/TDZ and its magforce braking profile is tuned towards long casting) whereas a small dia. spool requires less startup force, has less inertia but higher spool RPM making them better for lighter lures/short range accuracy/low velocity pitching type casts (on that extreme the Pixy/presso has a very shallow and small dia. spool)

[wheezer]

also IMO the new generation of higher capacity LP's like the zillion (HLC in my case and i also have the Steez 100H) are so much nicer to use than larger size round reels. the more compact palming profile and much lighter weight makes it much easier during extended casting sessions (which they always are!)

my steez 100H on my custom point casting rod sends lures out of sight, yet still has good line capacity with PE4 and weighs less than a Pixy!! next on my purchase list is a TDZ-BBS which has an even higher spool cap. than a zillion and has stronger gears as well...

[NAGG]

also IMO the new generation of higher capacity LP's like the zillion (HLC in my case and i also have the Steez 100H) are so much nicer to use than larger size round reels. the more compact palming profile and much lighter weight makes it much easier during extended casting sessions (which they always are!)

my steez 100H on my custom point casting rod sends lures out of sight, yet still has good line capacity with PE4 and weighs less than a Pixy!! next on my purchase list is a TDZ-BBS which has an even higher spool cap. than a zillion and has stronger gears as well...

Thats the Big Bait Special isn't it ??? ...... looks kinda , weird
Love the low profiles too .....

Nagg

[wheezer]

yes, the big bait special...i think it looks awesome with its black finish with gold and silver highlights...i will most likely pair it up to some kind of heavy point casting rod, at least 7' long to complement my existing 6-15kg XH and 5-8kg MH open water rods...i want to be able to throw large soft and hard swimbaits to target XOS barra!!

[BR65]

Hey Andrew, received my corkies for the new handles today, got em from Basspro
cheers
brian

[wheezer]

good stuff Brian...be careful now sounds like you are getting well and truly addicted to the bling!!

[NAGG]

yes, the big bait special...i think it looks awesome with its black finish with gold and silver highlights...i will most likely pair it up to some kind of heavy point casting rod, at least 7' long to complement my existing 6-15kg XH and 5-8kg MH open water rods...i want to be able to throw large soft and hard swimbaits to target XOS barra!!

The Loomis BCR855 GLX (7'1" ..17-25lb) ..... Lovely casting 110-130mm Slicks

Nagg