One Hook in Yellow Zones.

[Haji-Baba]

Proposed. Yellow zones Eg: Bribie Passage

As I read it, this is already in force in north Q.L.D.

"One line/rod per person and one hook per line."

Can't see the point, I will have to fish a little bit longer for the same result.

Does it really matter if you exceed the one hook rule if you don't exceed your
"In Possession Limit".

That has to be a load of hot air surely?

Any comments?

Have Fun Haji- Baba.

[Fafnir]

Yeah you're right, hard to make sense of it when you put it like that.

[baitwaster]

That is my main objection to the plan, a bloke ( or woman ) won't be able to sit there with the baitrunner out with a whole squid, and a line in hand with a prawn anymore.

[Daryl McPhee]

Hey ya,


I have been vociferous on this issue and raised it specifically in my Perspectives article in the Courier Mail a copy of which can be found elsewhere on these forums as well as my radio interview on 6124QR.

The MBAA submission includes the following on this issue:

"In terms of the objectives of yellow zones identified in the Marine Park
Regulation, it is difficult to reconcile how the proposed zones contribute to the
identified objectives over and above the fisheries management tools
developed and implemented by the DPI&F. In many instances they are
placing an arbitrary input control (e.g. the number of fish hooks for
recreational anglers) on fisheries where output controls (e.g. bag limits and
quota management) are either in place or proposed as part of the current
inshore fisheries review enacted by DPI&F."

Cheers,

Daryl

[STUIE63]

One hook one line is what the yellow zones are up here . by one hook they mean one lure or one ganged hook or one single hook but this has nothing to do with possession limits . no more bottom bouncing for trout while you float a pillie out the back for a mackeral .
Stuie
the governments way is to divide and conquer . they did NQ first then SEQ now they are talking about changeing bag limits it was only reviewed when the rap was done up here

[chief 1]

pretty stupid to me,if you don't exceed the possesion limit i don't think it should matter

[Haji-Baba]

Spot on chief, when you have a feed you go home one hook two or three.

We all like to put out a flattie or bottom line and a floater. I think we may have a few flatties making these proposals.

As was stated they earlier they put in the wedge in north Queensland first where the opposition was not the strongest.

As stated if you don't exceed your limit who cares how many lines you use.

Have fun Haji-Baba

[Scott nthQld]

Pretty stupid idea ths on line one hook rule for yellow zones, I agree. I emailed the GBRMPA a couple on months ago with the question can i use more than one hook on a sinlge line, if the hooks are in one bait and only intended to catch one fish? The answer i got back was yes, you can use as many as 6 hooks either ganged, or joined by a cable (line, wire or similar) as long as those hooks go into 1 bait and are only intended to catch one fish. Since I'm a big fan of the creed "big bait, big fish" this was great news for me. I now use 2 hooks, snelled that go into one bait, but a couple of time I have had a double hook up, but since that was not my intent, i can't get pinged for it (in theory anyway, i'm sure they'll try though).

think I still have the email and can forward it to anyone who wants a copy.

haji baba, there was less resistance about the GBRMPA zoning because, unlike th SE, the population is more spread out and it was harder for everyone to mount some sort of protest, but saying that, a lot of North Queenslanders couldn't really be f***** to do anything, making it even harder to try and coordinate anything. In the SE, because the population density is greater, it seemed more people were opposed because it was easier to get every one into a couple of places for a protest, where as the likes of Cairns (pop approx 150,000) Townsville (pop approx 330,000) and so on, less density, greater distances for people to travel meant less numbers, also given that compared to the SE these population seem paltry.

[dazza]

hi all,
the most infuriating thing about the passage yellow zone is if you have a close look at bells creek and pelican waters, notice the thin strip of blue- this means waterfront development can occur here.
the epa are telling us the passage needs protecting blah blah blah, but are happy for continued development where it suits them
go figure
cheers
dazza

[Haji-Baba]

Scott Nth Qld.

You are dead right, the protest down here is as i suggested, more concentrated and louder, because more people are directly affected.

We also have the knowledge of your current situation to work from or to.

I still make the point that regardless of how many hooks you use the total catch is the dominant factor. If you don't get beyond your "Limit" what is the problem.

I am also of the opinion that we must change our habits or the fish stocks will go even lower. But change has to be malleable to be of any use.

Change for the sake of change in an arbitrary manner will not work.

I have hunted and fished in Sweden and the "rules" are very strict.

Guess what game, is abundant and fishing is good. Every licence holder is a warden and keeps a good eye on his fellow hunters/fishers.

It does work and you soon get told if you stray from the "rules"

Have fun Haji-Baba

[Scott nthQld]

Yeah the one line rule is pretty pointless, people can still catch the same number of fish, though it may take them longer to do it. I agree there's no point to them if other limits remain intact.

they way I see it, if a person is allowed to use more than one line they will get their bag limit faster therefore spending less time in the sun and getting less skin cancer. Adversely, one line means people are stayin out in the sun longer, getting burnt and putting more a more pressure on the health system to get cancers cut out and treated (bet the Government didn't thknk of that).

Given that I said the one line rule is pointless, I can sort of see where they are coming from (and I stress sort of, its not very clear to me either). I guess the EPA thought that having less lines in the water will help prevent the capture of a whole school of fish in a short amount of time, maybe they think that the more time it takes people to catch the fish, the more time the fish have to move on or stop feeding, which I suppose would ultimately lead to less fish being caught in their minds. But as they don't go fishing, they don't realise that by using berley we can help extend bite periods (sometimes) by tempting the fish with an abundance of easy to get food, getting the fish to feed longer and more prolific, there fore nullifying any attempts to restrict what we catch through the limit of equipment. There must be plenty of bright sparks in that office, 'earning' (and I use the term 'earning' very loosely) their 100grand a year to screw their wage payers over (think about it, we pay income taxes, fines and other fees that in turn funds the EPA and pays their salaries).

[CHAPPY]

I wonder how they would get on limiting golfers to one club?
Chappy

[Tetsuo]

Golfers only hold one club at a time anyway .

I think the point of staying on longer and getting the bag limit anyway is valid, but not everyone can afford the extra time, so those fish dont get caught.

Yellow zones don't affect me because I only fish lures, but something everyone should be concerned about is the fact that a yellow zone is only one step away from a green zone the next time there is a review .

Scott, I like your sun cancer perspective, I bet they haven't thought of that .

[grahams]

Do your Yellow zones also remove commercial set nets? Up our way I will happily fish with 1 hook if it means I don't share the spot with a couple of 100m of monofilament net?

[Scott nthQld]

yeah thats right graham, no netting (other than amatuer bait nets in some areas, check the regs in your area) is allowed in yellow zones, so its at least good to know that there is no pros about to harvest the area clean.

I will admit though, the yellow zones off Townsville, around Maggie Island do seem to be working. Middle reef and picnic bay used to be nearly completely void of fish, but since the yellow zones have been introduced, I have noticed an increased catch rate, and better quality fish in the area (though it can be very hit and miss, one day will be an absolute blinder, others won't even see a small fish raised). Which is very good news, for me anyway.