Make all green zones NO DIVE ZONES

[Jackinthebox]

Guys,

Since the more green friendly Dive groups have mostly jumped into bed with AMCS, etc ......

I'm sure support for Green Zones would dry up pretty quick from all the diving/greeny fraternity if they were also banished from these areas due to harassment/disruption of Grey Nurse sharks & other wildlife etc. (Which divers have admitted to)

If it needs so called protection, it should be "ONE OUT - ALL OUT!"

I'm sure it would stop a lot of the effort to get more green zones in the future if they realised they couldn't have it all to themselves.

If we are going to lose these areas anyway, I have put in my submissions that divers should be excluded from green zones as well.

Mick

[disorderly]

C'mon Mick,lay off the wacky backy mate.

[PinHead]

if these areas need this urgent protection then they should be no go zones..no fishos, no divers, no tourist boats..nothin.

[Jackinthebox]

That's right Greg,

see how they feel when they lose these areas too! I feel it's a bit of insurance against future increases, currently they lose nothing with the green zones.

Sorry to alienate the divers that also fish, but don't you think they would be against any further stupid closures if this was the case? Would there be further support for the greens who are pushing this.

They (rabid greens)don't care who gets hurt, as long as it doesn't affect them. About the only thing some greenies do out on the water is dive. This would certainly pull them up in their tracks!

Then wouldn't the non rabid green divers start standing up & saying that these areas are healthy & further restrictions are not necessary because they are "underwater & can see what is going on"

Mick

[Didley]

Sorry Mick, the idea isn't to spoil people's fun, as it is being taken by a lot of fishos, but to protect these areas from predation. If the divers start grabing hold of and riding turtles, rays, sharks ect. then fine the pricks or something. Its a bit like saying all fishing should be band because some fishermen do the wrong thing.
A bit of balance is what is needed in this type of issue, not extremism. It's not a matter of locking the whole country up as national park, nor is it, screw the environment lets get what we can now, and stuff everybody who comes after.
It's about balance, and just because it effects you, it does not mean that balance is wrong.
Now let me hear the abuse boys.

[craftycarp]

Let me guess diddley you dive also?

Pinhead you are right its what should be going into all submissions. Dive groups have been against from when all this started would be interesting to see how they go if they start getting banned.

[Mike Delisser]

I agree Didly, sorry Mick. As soon as our position on a science based sustainable outcome turns into "if we can't use it the way we want to no one can" we may as well hand the the whole east coast over to the extreme conservationists. I also don't think the diving/greeny fraternity will flock to help us fight the EPA if we manage to lobby their exclusion from green zones.
Mike

[disorderly]

Guys,

If we are going to lose these areas anyway, I have put in my submissions that divers should be excluded from green zones as well.

Mick

You do know what you are asking for don't you,Mick?
That is turning green zones to pink zones(preservation zones) which are exactly as Pinhead suggests..total no-go zones.
Great thinking fella's lets help the greens get their way.

Scott

[Sandman]

I actually suggested that in my submission(s), however i agree with Didley's comments but have very mixed reviews as i to also enjoy diving. The reality is why "green" a zone if you are allowed to anchor on these sites, i would prefer to see permanent anchorage and restrict boats from anchoring as this does far greater damage than the genral fisho would have on taking fish?

My view anyways
Mick

[Didley]

Let me guess diddley you dive also?

Pinhead you are right its what should be going into all submissions. Dive groups have been against from when all this started would be interesting to see how they go if they start getting banned.

No Crafty, Haven't been diving in 15 years, did it a couple of years before that then gave it away. IF u banned the divers , Yes they would change their story, because, as a group, they are full of self interested people just like the fishos. Stuff what is best for all, just look after number one. Get enough people on side and the politicians will change their story too, because they will lose votes. Good old number one again. That is how the world works, that's why your all being asked to contact your political representatives about this. Nothing to do with what is the best thing to do for the whole community. It's all about number one. Lots of thing are worth someone else doing, just as long as it doesn't effect me adversely, hey boys!

[Didley]

"if we can't use it the way we want to no one can"

Well put Mike. If you want to stop this, come up with some scientific reasoning behind your argument as to why it is not in the community interest, and you might get some numbers on side, instead of carrying on like spoilt kids and getting no where.

[Fafnir]

Well put Mike. If you want to stop this, come up with some scientific reasoning behind your argument as to why it is not in the community interest, and you might get some numbers on side, instead of carrying on like spoilt kids and getting no where.

Scientific arguments have not made one scrap of difference as far as I can tell. If an area is that sensative that you cannot drop a line there then maybe it should be pink. IF an area is so sensative then no anchoring would make sense, as would making them all go-slow zones. I don't think it's unreasonable to make them No Recreational Diving areas as well. That's of course on the assumption that any areas in Moreton Bay are that sensative that they would warrant a green zone in the first place.

As for the point about "if we can't use it the way we want to no one can", well that's fair enough. That's no different to dive groups saying 'People shouldn't be allowed to fish in these areas but still let us dive there".

I think Mick's on the right track here.

[scoota]

Hang on Mick, not all divers or dive groups support the green zone submissions.

Turn it up!

What about the fishing organisations and Ausfish members who have supported the green zones?

Lynch them!

Trying to work together for common interest rather than a [if we can't have it you can't have it] school boy attitude and stand together with everyone that doesn't want green zones, we hopefully may turn some of the tide our way.

Scoota...

PS:- I'm not a diver........yet

[Mike Delisser]

One of the corner stones of our argument against the green zones is the potential adverse economic impact on local small businesses, inc fuel, marine dealerships, chandlery, outboard servicing, food ect ect. Didn't I hear that at the rally? Has this changed? Did I miss something?

If the goal of our campain has changed from an outcome exceptable to anglers (I know, not you Pin H) to a revenge trip please let us know, some may want to get off the bus.
Mike

[Horse]

If these areas are so critical to the Bays ecological survival then surely they must be protected to the maximum extent as no go zones.
If, however, the areas are being designated green to stop recreational fishers access in order to pay back political deals between Labor and the Greens then it is a sad day for our political processes.

Neil