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  1. #61

    Re: Fishing Elitism

    Quote Originally Posted by oldboot View Post
    Fishing is interesting..... there is such a broad variety of views, personalities and experiences.

    Of course there will be elitists, there will be in any field of endeavour..... and of course there will be the " reverse elitist" who prides him self on his lowly situation.


    What is interesting, I think is that it appears to me that people bring these attitudes TO fishing and not gain them from it.

    There would be very few of us that ( in spite of our bumper sticker) have fishing as the main and determining interest in our lives, that thing that identifies us in llife and sets our atatudes.
    Most of us will have some other "occupation or serious vocation" and fishing will be a pass time or hobby.

    for the vast majority, our fishing attitudes and the gear we own will be in proportion to the rest of our lives.

    So if a bloke is an unbearable fishing snob and has expensive gear and an exensive boat..... he will almost certainly have a flash car ( better than yours) and a big fancy house (bigger than yours) and he will be "far more important than you". His attitude will be dreived from other than fishing..... after all he can afford it.

    Fishing is funny to.... because it leaves nothing lasting and durable behind as testiment to skill or dedication......so those who recon they are better than the rest of us are left with nothing to prove that but the insistance that it is so and to point at their fancy gear or the methods they use.......

    because "anybody can catch one of those. .what do you land that with ? your anchor winch!!.....I saw a black fella catch one of those with a length of brickes string and a bit of bent fencing wire"

    I think too that there has been a generations ingrained elitist culture in fishing. Like...... there is " Fly Fishing" everthing else is " Coarse fishing". From a time when only the rich were entitled to fish for pleasure AND the rich owned the river and the fish in it.

    In the recent past, only the rich could afford to fish for game spicies... so there will of course be an elitist attitude remaining somewhere in there too.

    But in recent times the type of elitism that I see is marketing driven elitism, associated with buying the latest or the funkyest. like buying SHIMANO ( or whatever) not because you realy know the difference but for the same reasons you baught NIKE shoes and designer other things.

    Of course ther is elitism and there always will be, and while that is so there will be reverse elitism.

    So you, you $1000 reel toteing, $600 rod waving, braid spoolin, windon leaderin, fancy boat driving, brand name luring, fancy knot tying fishing snob, can @#$%! &%$^(#@..... I stick with my second hand Alvey, supermarhet rod, monofialment line and my stinky bait. :tongue:

    Where's the fun if you can't think you are better than someone else .

    What the heck... the fish dont care.

    Now if the fish were elitist that would be a different story

    cheers
    You mean to tell me fish aren't elitist ..... Of course they are That why we buy $1000 worth of bream , barra & bass lures or $2000 worth of Marlin lures ..... in every shape , size & colour .......... Just to get them to accept our offering.....

    Then you have those snobby trout ...... That turn their nose up at everything that you present to them ...... till finally you give them something that they want " I'm feeling like snow flake caddis today ..... I'm not eating that grass hopper!" ..... the trout says

    Yep there certainly is elitism in Fish

    Nagg
    Last edited by NAGG; 01-03-2008 at 12:53 PM.

  2. #62

    Re: Fishing Elitism

    And if all that fails use bait. Its funny how when theres no action on Sp's or lures or whatever else nearly everyone goes back to bait.Why? Maybe stinky bait is the elite bait.

  3. #63

    Re: Fishing Elitism

    I base a good fisho on their ability to come up with the goods in different circumstances and show persistance. For example, if the beach is buggered, they might go off shore and pull up snapper or into the river and catch bream. Or when the weather is sour, they might find a small protected spot and target something like whiting.

    I predominantly fish the beach and rocks, this requires alot of knoweledge of how the fish work and where they are likely to be at different times. I'm still on the learning curve with my rock fishing, but have been fishing the beach for a long time.

    I love the thrill of personally finding a fish, rigging appropriatly, learning the environment and then hooking and landing em. Ill never get sick of it

    Cheers

    Owen

  4. #64

    Re: Fishing Elitism

    Quote Originally Posted by rockfisho View Post
    I base a good fisho on their ability to come up with the goods in different circumstances and show persistance. For example, if the beach is buggered, they might go off shore and pull up snapper or into the river and catch bream. Or when the weather is sour, they might find a small protected spot and target something like whiting.

    I predominantly fish the beach and rocks, this requires alot of knoweledge of how the fish work and where they are likely to be at different times. I'm still on the learning curve with my rock fishing, but have been fishing the beach for a long time.

    I love the thrill of personally finding a fish, rigging appropriatly, learning the environment and then hooking and landing em. Ill never get sick of it

    Cheers

    Owen
    Owen .... I couldn't agree more
    I have the most admiration for guys & girls who can fish heaps of styles & techniques ........ nothing better than talking to someone who is comfortable fishing for bream on lure as he is chasing pelagics on live bait!
    Not trying to blow my own trumpet ..... I've been lucky enough to progress through my fishing life ........ starting off fishing my local FW river with bait for whatever I could catch! . My brother bought a canoe & we chased bass on lures. Then we progressed to the estuary for bream ( bait) & a few trips out in the blue fishing for Kings & YFT with my brother in law. Then once I started work & bought a car ..... Rock fishing for Snapper (a bit of blackfishing & drummer) ..... & LBG + some SWF ( before it became trendy)
    Then a mate bought a boat ...... & we chased pelagics ( Kings mainly) ... Then YFT & Marlin ....as he moved from a Nautiglass V150 , 5M Shark Cat , 6M Broadbill & 6M Sailfish ...... We were club members & fished various ANSA tournaments.
    We also did some trout fishing on lures
    Then I bought my first boat ( 5.35 Reef Raider CC) .... which I used to chase everything from snapper to YFT & Marlin ( loved my summer jewfishing) .... towed it up & down the east coast down to Bermagui & up to the Whitsundays
    I also .... did some charters both locally & overseas for pelagics ...... & my first go at wild barra.
    I then took up Fly fishing ( trout) a few years back ... with regular trips to the snowy mountains & NZ! ....... & stated to travel to Qld to fish for barra ( wild & impoundments)
    Bought my current boat (Hornet)..... & took up fishing SPs for estuary species .... & increased my barra trips to Qld

    I look back on it all ..... & I just think how good its all been ....... Keep it coming I say
    Elitism .... I think not , more like looking for fishing challenges ( with the use of quality tackle) .

    Nagg
    Last edited by NAGG; 02-03-2008 at 05:30 PM.

  5. #65

    Re: Fishing Elitism

    What a brilliant thread,"are fisho's elite" I reckon the elite ones are the guys who,always say they caught x amount of so big whatever but when your out with them they must be having an off dayAs well as the guys who smirk at you as you get your middle of the road gear out.As I've said before you don't need to spend hundreds of dollars to enjoy fishing.You don't need Loomis rods and solid gold reels.Thats the beauty of fishing.You have to remember that while the hardware is important,so is the software,the grey stuff betweeen your ears.
    Paulo

  6. #66

    Re: Fishing Elitism

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulMark View Post
    What a brilliant thread,"are fisho's elite" I reckon the elite ones are the guys who,always say they caught x amount of so big whatever but when your out with them they must be having an off dayAs well as the guys who smirk at you as you get your middle of the road gear out.As I've said before you don't need to spend hundreds of dollars to enjoy fishing.You don't need Loomis rods and solid gold reels.Thats the beauty of fishing.You have to remember that while the hardware is important,so is the software,the grey stuff betweeen your ears.
    Paulo
    The best bit of kit is without doubt the grey stuff between your ears...... much more important than a shiny gold reel or loomis rod! .....Nagg

    PS ..... sorry I'll take back the comment on loomis rods

  7. #67

    Re: Fishing Elitism

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulMark View Post
    You have to remember that while the hardware is important,so is the software,the grey stuff betweeen your ears.
    Paulo
    So true, without the software ticking over, all the fishing bling in the world aint going to help you.
    cheers

    brian



  8. #68

    Re: Fishing Elitism

    I agree - but gee I like a bit of bling!

  9. #69

    Re: Fishing Elitism

    Well .... I participated in a real leveler today ....... Changing F%&@%*g trailer bearings!
    Is this the worst job in fishing / boat ownership?

    Nagg

    PS ..... Should have paid someone to do it

  10. #70

    Re: Fishing Elitism

    .
    There are three things that just don't care, who, what or where you are .....


    RUST......... GREASE..........and........ $#%T

    Even if you pay good money to make em go away or have someone elsed deal with em.......... somehow, somewhere they'll get Ya.

    cheers

  11. #71

    Re: Fishing Elitism

    Quote Originally Posted by oldboot View Post
    .
    There are three things that just don't care, who, what or where you are .....


    RUST......... GREASE..........and........ $#%T

    Even if you pay good money to make em go away or have someone elsed deal with em.......... somehow, somewhere they'll get Ya.

    cheers

    With a 3000K round trip coming up in the next week & a bit ........ Nah better off doing now at home .... than on the edge of the road outback of woop woop! ...... Gee & I only did them in Oct .... but put 5000K on them ........ Oh well they are done now

    Cheers

    Nagg

  12. #72

    Re: Fishing Elitism

    When push comes to shove we are all doing the same thing fishing for pleasure
    If someone has the means ($) to run a stella opposed to a handline does the stella make this person elite, i think not
    What are you doing out here in a tinnie i just spent $60000 on a boat to fish this spot he he he
    Cheers Reidy

  13. #73

    Re: Fishing Elitism

    Quote Originally Posted by NAGG View Post
    Well .... I participated in a real leveler today ....... Changing F%&@%*g trailer bearings!
    Is this the worst job in fishing / boat ownership?

    Nagg

    PS ..... Should have paid someone to do it
    Heres a leveler
    Try changing the bottom radiator hose on a 95 jeep cherokee
    do you have all day and $120.00 to spare.
    Im leveled
    Cheers Reidy

  14. #74

    Smile Re: Fishing Elitism

    To me, the leveler is when you break down, run out of fuel, and generally need a hand. That is when you dont care what type of boat tows you back to the ramp or generally gets you going. I have never in over 50 years of fishing/boating seen one fisherman leave another in trouble . Up north I have seen people shake there head in disbelief at where some blokes will go in a 12ft. tinny but never seen anybody refuse to get the mugs out of trouble. So perhaps this elitism is only temporary. Perhaps this percieved elitism is individuality. I would like to think so. Does anyone else see it that way?

    Regards Chappy

  15. #75

    Re: Fishing Elitism

    The people who i look down on, there the ones that seek to impart there views on "CORRECT fishing practices on others who were only trying to catch a feed and do it legally!!

    Ian

    Ps. I also look down on New South Welshmen as there below us after all you go DOWN the coast to get there so we must be above them!
    Alcohol doesn't agree with me, but i sure do enjoy the argument!!!

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